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04 July 2015

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kao_hsien_chih

I have always admired the words spoken by Morgan with regards Fraser. There was a time that we could recognize that the people on the other side were worthy, honorable, and decent lot, who just happened to be our enemies. Now, we have to insist that all our enemies are not merely our enemies, but are moral degenerates who must be held in personal contempt. All that it accomplishes is to make disputes personal and unresolvable except possibly with a greater sacrifice in life and tresaure than is necessary. I am aware that professional soldiers such as our honored host still do so, but for our political leaders and us, the civilians, the idea that our adversaries are not baby-eating monsters seems difficult to fathom.

SteveG

khc

"That professional soldiers as our honored host
Still do so". Please clarify this scurrilous remark.
Apparently you have not read his VN remembrances.

alba etie

TTG
And if memory serves he also wanted his estate to be used to free President Jefferson's slaves , but his will was never executed .

oofda

Walked by the Kosciuszko monument in Lafayette Park in front of the White House just a bit ago. A stirring monumnent with the word "Saratoga" engraved in the stone base at the front.

SteveG

KHC
In my haste, iPhone and medical condition
I have mischaracterized your post,apologies.

kao_hsien_chih

Our professional soldiers still do regard many of our adversaries as honorable, or at least competent, professionals worthy of respect, even if they are on the wrong side, that is. I reread my post and it did have some potential for misunderstanding. My apologies for the lack of clarity.

David Habakkuk

kao_hsien_chih,

I was amused to find an – Oxford educated – Presbyterian minister and academic from Florida recalling in reflections on Independence Day remarks made at the time in the House of Commons by Horace Walpole:

“There is no good crying about the matter,” Walpole remarked: “Cousin America has run off with the Presbyterian parson, and that is the end of it.”

(See http://donsweeting.wordpress.com/2014/07/04/those-blasted-presbyterians-reflections-on-independence-day/ .)

As you of course know, a propensity to see oneself as a lonely embodiment of God’s will, fighting the demons, is very strong in Calvinism.

Of course, the Calvinist strain is only one element in the American Revolution. And in American history subsequently, sometimes it has been more prominent, sometimes less.

At the risk of paranoia, however, I note that Walpole was referring specifically to John Witherspoon, then president of Princeton University, which was apparently referred to among Tories as the ‘seminary of sedition’.

Among later graduates of Princeton were Woodrow Wilson, George Kennan, and Anne-Marie Slaughter.

nick b

TTG,

I thought Kosciuszko was born in Polish Lithuania?

nick b

His house is a national monument on the corner of Pine and 3rd in Philadelphia.

Tyler

This might find some appreciation here:

http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=34

Jim Ticehurst

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turcopolier

jim Ticehurst

think of SST as a buffet. pl

Peter Brownlee

Kościuszko is well-known in Australia as a mountain (well, sort of -- this is an old place) but the person for whom it is named and the namer, Paul Strzelecki, are not.

http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/nationalparks/parkhome.aspx?id=n0018

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kosciuszko

The Twisted Genius

nick b,

Kosciuszko's birthplace is now in Belarus. When he was born it was in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. He did have Lithuanian ancestry as well as Ruthenian. Out of curiosity, I looked for a picture of his home in Mereczowszczyzna. The reconstructed manor looks remarkable like the thatched roof, wood house that my great-grandmother built a model of for the Danbury State Fair many years ago. My great-grandmother's house was much smaller and had no chimneys. The smoke from the cooking fire would cure meat hung in the rafters. The house also doubled as the animal barn. I loved her stories.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/18556248

The Twisted Genius

Tyler,

I always liked "Hark! a Vagrant." My younger son (who is probably close to your age) introduced me to it.

The Twisted Genius

alba etie,

Kościuszko's estate was to be used for the manumission and education of black slaves. His will gave Jefferson the duty of doing this. Due to his age, Jefferson couldn't execute Kościuszko's wishes. The estate was eventually used to establish an educational institute in Newark, New Jersey for African-Americans.

Fred

There is a monument in Detroit as well.

http://detroit1701.org/Kosciuszko%20Statue.html

alba etie

TTG & nick b
Seems These United States was a melting pot even then

Tyler

She's also an honest to goodness cutie patootie, but I could do without her turn to internet social justice nonsense.

nick b

TTG,

Thank you for that, and for memories of the Danbury fair. Good stuff.

Will

Daniel Morgan was the commander at the battle of Cowpens. The trio battles of King's Mountain, Cowpens, and Guilford Court House (Greensboro, NC where R.E. Lee's dad Lighthorse Harry shone) helped seal Cornwallis' fate in the Carolinas and set him off to the relative safety of Yorktown.

What is unique about Cowpens is the tactical innovation of Morgan with green troops. An American version of Hanibals' Battle of Cannae, no less- a double envelopment. (Oh Morgan is related to the pirate).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cowpens

RM

More history of Kosciuszko's work at West Point http://www.kosciuszkoatwestpoint.org/index.html

Stu Wood

Another reason for the victory was the stopping of St. Leger coming down the Mohawk Valley to meet up with Burgoyne. This resulted in the Battle of Oriskany
where the German and Dutch settlers of the Mohawk valley fought the American Tory and Indian allies of the British to a draw. Here is a good wipedia description of the battle:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Oriskany.

The bottom line is that the American forces lost more men but retained control of the battlefield after the hostilities.

mike

Hermione is in New York now

http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/37336

Anonymous

"think of SST as a buffet. pl"

Indeed. I always get the latest recipe of ban on my plate.

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