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31 July 2015

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Farooq

Thank you!

charly

How much is that German unification propaganda?

charly

You mean like the city states around the Gulf?

different clue

As I read about how the several country-state leaderships repressed or oppressed their own Kurds while helping Kurdish insurgencies in neighboring country-states, I was impressed at the cynical depth of the "vulcan mind-meld" involved. " You help my Kurds and I help your Kurds while I oppress my Kurds and you oppress your Kurds . . . and together we will oppress all the Kurds."

I was listening to the Dianne Rehm show today. Friday is their national and then international "events analysis and wrap up". During the international part of it a caller talked and seemed knowledgeable about granular details of events in Turkey.
He said that a couple of parties in the Turkish Parliament ( the semi-Kurdish party and another party) were deMANding a government inquiry into all the facts about the recent ascribed-to-PKK violence in Turkey. The caller claimed that the AKP and perhaps also allied parties were the ones reFUSing to support such an inquiry. He hinted as strongly as he could without overtly saying so that it was the Erdogists themselves who have committed the recent "PKK" violence and false-flag attacks to fabricate a case for attacking PKK and for unifying the ethno-Turkish population behind the Erdogists. I have no idea how correct or incorrect this might be, but I noted that the theory apparently exists

The Virginian

A key point to integrate into the analysis of the current situation is Turkey's desire to control / exploit Kurdish hydrocarbons. Some in the KDP think that over time this will buy them acquiescence from Ankara regarding an independent Kurdish state in Northern Iraq. But I'd suggest the Turks are more keen to continue playing off the intra-Kurdish divisions, allowing Barzani and his cohorts to remain wealthy but remain Ankara's vassals - that the Turks did not come to Barzani's aid when Erbil was under threat spoke volumes. Your point regarding the combat power of the peshmerga should be well noted by all, as it is also recognized by peshmerga commanders. Hence why the various peshmerga formations linked to the PUK, KDP and YPG want training, weapons, and more weapons, to use to protect against ISIS, consolidate Kurdish control, to use against each other if it comes to it, and to use in what the Kurds (and many others) see as an eventual Kurdish - Arab Iraqi conflict. The only way the Kurds could ever hope to carve out a space for themselves is if Washington bought their propaganda and forced the issue against Turkey (a NATO country), Iran (who retain power / influence in Kurdistan, to include paramilitary and intelligence capabilities, and want to prevent Baghdad from collapsing), and the Gulfies (who look down on the Kurds).

William R. Cumming

Any links to language blocks in the EU? My understanding is that almost 500M in the EU can speak and write some German except the Bavarians of course-joke]?

William R. Cumming

City states may be the future not nation-states! IMO of course and not this century.

William R. Cumming

IMO only if you don't read and write English or Spanish!

William R. Cumming

AGREE!

William R. Cumming

Wrong question IMO! The right question is CAN THEY GOVERN THEMSELVES?

Ulenspiegel

You have the alemannish dialects, these are spoken in some cantons in Switzerland, Vorarlberg (Austria) and parts of Baden-Würtemberg (Germany). Therefore, the analogy does not work.

Babak Makkinejad

no, autonomous self-governing cities with city councils - run by burghers/patricians running the show.

Babak Makkinejad

Turks also spoke of Pan-Turkism - a good talk. But I knew that they would never ever help the Turcoman city of Amerli - since the inhabitants were Shia Muslims.

Amerli was secured by the Shia Iranians and Arabs.

Farooq

Sir,
How would you define governance in this case? There seems to be governance in the sense that they are organizing local government councils and organizing their military efforts in the given circumstances.

Charles I

Thanks Patrick, its kinda hard not to root for the poor buggers, but the Turkish attacks and the lack of an invite to the Quebec anti-ISIS conference says it all.

mike

PB - Nice post. Like Elkern above I can't wait for part 2.

By the way, I note that French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian will visit the Erbil supposedly this month along with MILAN additional AT systems and heavy machine guns. Will they route them thru Baghdad I wonder or ship them direct to Erbil?

Fred82

Patrick,

What is the current Turkish policy via the Iraqi Turkomens?

Kunuri

BM, just like Bern, Switzerland, where I lived and worked for 5 years. Their system seemed perfect to me. Perfect balance between the patricians, burghers and the volk. The Kanton, and the State, Gemainde and the City, capital and the ordinary working people. But it was so boring.

Kunuri

Fred, assimilation is only possible if the host country can offer something better than the mother country. As much as US is struggling with this problem, it shocks me still to think that US can not offer something better than the 99% of other mother countries.

Kunuri

The constitutional structures of Turkey, from the beginning, going back to Ottoman attempts, were always contingency plans to hold together first the Empire, than the new Turkish republic together in incredibly hostile atmospheres. Same goes for following 20th century versions, current one being the post 1980 coup emergency version. You are absolutely right to state that the current Turkish constitution does not reflect the 21st century realities. Some modeling of Turkey based upon West European models! However, quite a few people in Turkey are and have been aware of this for quite some time.

Kunuri

Farook, the terms "deserve", and "can form a state of their own" are set up premises for fallacy arguments. Who is going to determine who deserves an independent nation, or how capable they are to run one efficiently. And further, if they are not equipped to run a state efficiently, do they still deserve to have one of their own. And where, at which other nation state's expense? If Iraq is no longer, or never has been a nation state, maybe at their expense, and can the Kurds run their deserved state any worse than Iraqis? Same goes for Syria, but the same does not apply to Turkey and Iran.

Kunuri

Selahattin Demirtas, co-president of HDP, the main Kurdish Party in Turkish parliament with 80 MPs, is saying that AKP has done it, or at least facilitated it, interview from Stern, the German magazine.

Who benefits argument makes me incline to think along the same lines.

Kunuri

BM, Erdogan will only help Muslims of Sunni sect, and those of Salefi and Wahhabi leanings, not Turks, Turkmens, Sinjanis, or any other. Just the other day, he sloganed in China "My only aim is Islam, Islam, Islam!" Good grief!

Kunuri

My two cents Fred, Turkish Junta policy: "Who cares, unless they are Sunni." Of which, there are very few in Syria and Iraq.

William R. Cumming

You keep mentioning a Diocletian Line! Did not as Emperor Diocletian divide his empire rather successfully into 4 parts?

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