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23 May 2015

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ex-PFC Chuck

The thread of a post a day or two ago contained several comments pertaining to suicide bombers from Muslim communities in the USA. The Twin Cities of Minnesota is host to one of the largest communities of refugees from the horn of Africa. Most of them are Somali and 2 dozen or so of them have returned there to fight. At least two became suicide bombers and 7 others are KIA. More recently a few have been caught trying to leave the country to join IS. A recent Minnpost article focuses on the conditions that lead to the disaffection of these recent ( and some not so recent) immigrants that induces them to try to join up. Perhaps some readers will find this of interest.
http://www.minnpost.com/community-sketchbook/2015/05/new-study-dispels-several-assumptions-about-terrorist-recruitment-twin-
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/projects/ongoing/somali_timeline/

The Beaver

Colonel,

I am just waiting for Stevie Harper to get kicked out from office next October.
http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/canada-stands-by-israel-through-fire-and-water-harper-tells-montreal-jewish-group

and yet he was not courageous enough when asked why he is anti-Muslim by the French (Quebec) media a couple of weeks ago. Unable to have the right answer he kept drinking water and more or less ignored the question. He equals anti-Israel as anti-semitism as well as Muslims are anti-semites.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-cites-hate-crime-laws-when-asked-about-its-zero-tolerance-for-israel-boycotters-1.3067497

Yet even though he is scared about Islamicism ( his word) he is selling arms to KSA and inviting UAE to invest in western Canada.

FB Ali

"I am just waiting for Stevie Harper to get kicked out from office next October".

Amen!

Aka

The Beaver,
Do people think that only Jews are semitic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

lauld45@yahoo.com

Re the UN conference - we don't even see the irony.

The Beaver

Aka

I know the answer and you know the answer as well as many on this blog. However, when you are "buying" votes and are null in History, anthropology and other Sciences and depends on your spinmasters to sell your policy(ies), you guess what happens.

Here, he is planning to erect a memorial for those who died fighting Communism ( yep we need that !!!). He wasted millions and frustrated some friends/allies in the US with his celebrations of the war of 1812, hoping to get an Honorary title from Queen Elizabeth , I would assume.

I am still waiting for his former FM to go and live in a kibbutz in Northern Israel, as he promised once to show how close he is to Israel. Unfortunately, he is busy making $$$$$ "working" for the Chinese !!!

oofda

And of course Israel is very concerned about the possibility of Iran being the country to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East! That is the definition of chutzpah.

David Habakkuk

The Beaver,

I was interested to see from the CBC News article that your former foreign affairs minister, John Baird, signed a "memorandum of understanding" with Israeli authorities in Jerusalem, pledging to combat BDS, and describing the movement as "the new face of anti-Semitism."

The dimensions of the stupidity almost beggar belief.

It ought to be clear that BDS is a complex movement – and among its adherents are a very significant number of Jews, who see themselves as trying to rescue Israel from a path of self-destruction on which it is headed.

It ought also to be clear that to use the taboo on anti-Semitism in an attempt to stifle debate is stupid in multiplicity of ways. After all, if anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, then perhaps anti-Semitism is merely anti-Zionism. The distinction between people who hate Jews simply because they are Jews, and people who simply don't much like the look of Benjamin Netanyahu – or indeed Sheldon Adelson, or David Brooks, or Victoria Nuland, is liable to become somewhat blurred.

Moreover, the leadership of Israel – and indeed, most influential American Zionists – appear utterly blind to the impossible position in which they are putting many people in Europe of ethnic Jewish origin. So, after the attack on a kosher supermarket in eastern Paris, Netanyahu delivered himself of the following helpful remarks:

''To all the Jews of France, all the Jews of Europe, I would like to say that Israel is not just the place in whose direction you pray. The state of Israel is your home''.

The British situation is different from that in other European countries, and also in some respects I think from the American. The social circles in which my my family and my wife's have spent our lives have included a number of Jewish refugees from the disasters of European history, and their children and grandchildren have been among our dearest friends.

A legacy of the Holocaust is that most Jews we have known would have had some kind of identification with the fate of fellow Jews in Israel. But, for one thing, for almost all of them Israel is not 'the place in whose direction you pray'.

Most of the Jews we have known are secular – indeed, one finds Christian Jews. Moreover, the notion that any of them would regard the state of Israel as their 'home' is palpable nonsense.

As so often, the relentless propagandisers of dogmatic ideologies are trying to obscure how complicated the pulls of conflicting identities can be. This is a complex story.

What can be said, however, is that Zionists have essentially declared that those I would call 'Dreyfusard' Jews are not really Jewish at all. The true Jew is a creature who only very partially left the ghetto, if that.

The implications of this sectarianism will be worked through in coming years.

The Beaver

DH

"What can be said, however, is that Zionists have essentially declared that those I would call 'Dreyfusard' Jews are not really Jewish at all. The true Jew is a creature who only very partially left the ghetto, if that."

I do hope so.
George Jonas had a nice description of that differentiation in his best seller "The Vengeance" which was used for the movie "Munich". Having said that, when I listen to the views of his first wife, Barbara Amiel, Jewish, born in the UK now living partly in Canada, active communist at Uni but a social climber afterwards, I have my doubts. The French Ambassador in London learned it the hard way in 2001

mbrenner

In a sense, what the Israelis under Netanyahu have done is quite clever. Their target is not the truly secular Jews in the West but rather the "in-between" Jews who may not be practicing yet whose Jewish identity is important to them. The foundation stone of the strategy is to merge the image of Zionist Israel with that of the Jewish people as a whole. The Israelis demand that all Jews identify with and be politically loyal to whatever the government does. That is set as a test of "Jewishness." Those who deviate are denounced as 'self-hating" Jews and delegitimized. Manifestations of their success are evident everywhere in the US - e.g. on university campuses. An inevitable reaction is that some sharp critics of Israeli policies fall into the trap by criticizing those "tweener" Jews who have become reflexive public defenders of Israel. Those attacks in turn are highlighted as evidence of rampant anti-Semitism. This fear mongering shifts the locus of Jewish sentiment toward the Zionist position. Mission accomplished.

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