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16 April 2015


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William R. Cumming

Maybe but would Washington ever NUKE Israel?

Charles I

Well at least Iran doesn't have any barrel bombs. . . yet.



Yes. This was after the war. It was easy to have regrets then. I any event he was much too poor as a lad to do anything other than go to WP. pl



"Maybe but would Washington ever NUKE Israel?" We would not need to do so. pl


Charles I

A bomb is a bomb is a bomb. pl

Mark Logan



"Time counts and keeps countin', and we knows now finding the trick of what's been and lost ain't no easy ride. But that's our trek, we gotta' travel it. And there ain't nobody knows where it's gonna' lead. Still in all, every night we does the tell, so that we 'member who we was and where we came from... but most of all we 'members the man that finded us, him that came the salvage. And we lights the city, not just for him, but for all of them that are still out there. 'Cause we knows there come a night, when they sees the distant light, and they'll be comin' home."


Same idea, it's about demonisation and the suggestion that a barrel bomb is something particularly evil. Idiotic. It's a field expedient. End of story.

I don't know Farsi, but after reading the description of how the things are supposed to work it is exceedingly probable that the Iranians probably call then, quite correctly, self sacrificing drones or somesuch.


The Toofan is another type of Iranian drone; it locates and destroys the enemy by using an optical tracker. The drone was designed for combat suicide operations. Due to its small size, it can approach the enemy after a simple undetectable launch, from various points, and because of its high speed it is difficult for the enemy to react in time. The drone is constructed of lightweight radar-absorbing materials and has a very small radar cross-section. A front-facing camera in the nosecone transmits live images until the moment of impact, to increase homing accuracy.
Its small dimensions and radar cross-section, as well as its ability to shut off its engine as it approaches the target, allow it to remain undetected by the enemy until the moment of impact..."

Reads and looks DAR-ish. http://tinyurl.com/o85hlmd

MEMRI then sought the worst possible and most demonising translation of the phrase. So, it destroys itself on the target on impact?

"Suicide drone" oviously is a suggestion with the intention to implicitly link Iran with "suicide bombing" and terrorism (never mind they have done precious little of that in decades - unlike Israel's new tacit allies in southern Syria). Probably that term polled well with focus groups. Echoes of Frank Luntz.

I found that MEMRI article verbatim on a web site that provides "Israel news from a biblical perspective". For more of that, just google "Iran Presents Its Suicide Drones".

Tarring Israel's enemies is MEMRI's trade. If for nothing else, reading MEMRI is a good way to figure out emerging propaganda themes. They practically advertise them.

They have their uses though, and at times do interesting translations, but always very selectively and tendentiously.

For instance when they collect and translate Gulf Arab newspaper cartoons about the Iranians. Replace the nasty Ayatollah in them with a Jew and you have an idea of what Der Stürmer must have looked and read like.

That said, given MEMRI's selevtiveness and tendentiousness, these may just have been the worst of the lot and chosen for exactly that purpose. I think they are aiming on suggesting that everbody, even the Arabs, hates Iran, and with so much smoke there must be fire.

Paul Escobar

To all,

And my break with social liberalism is complete:

Pollsters routinely insist that my generation (late twenties) will ensure the dominance of liberal politics. Perhaps only last year, I would have been counted as one among this reportedly vast & disciplined army.

We are actually a slow, dis-interested, and dim-witted herd...who could react very harshly...if we ever looked back & noticed the sick & decrepit hand that steered us so wrong.

Perhaps my generation will prove that pollsters can't track sucker punches?

Maybe that & people without land-lines,
Paul Escobar


Oh boy. Speaking of people whith short memories.

I'd very surprised if that is not a redo of ye olde O'Keefe-Breitbart-Co-Op scam done on ACORN? Ain't it a little late in the day to recylce that crap? ACORN is dead and that crap has served ist purpose, from a GOP POV. So PP is next? I suggest to go 'once burned, twice shy' on this.

But then, I have been wrong before. Maybe it is legit. If not for the smell ...


William R. Cumming


Paul Escobar


I speak from a left-wing, atheist, social justice POV. Not a "GOP POV". From what I can deduce of you, our beliefs on economic & foreign policy matters may actually align.

Though I don't think you actually grew up here in North America, experienced the cultural inputs which spawn the contemporary liberal mind-set, or had social interactions which could help you in deducing what sorts of reactions are im/possible.

Though surprising to you, it actually occurs that our liberal activists believe sex should be commodified, age is nothing but a number, the hood is a unique and protected instutition, and that denial of an abortion to anyone is akin to denial of air or water.

They are truly lost & hedonistic sheep, groomed to be tolerant of any obscenity our political masters & cultural groomers deem acceptable. You already know this from a foreign policy stand-point...live here long enough, and you will recognize it from a social-justice stand-point.

Paul Escobar

different clue

I join confusedponderer in wondering why I shouldn't consider this a finely crafted Okeefian hoax?



That story is worth a post of its own.

Babak Makkinejad

They are not hedonistic sheep; rather lost children...



Oh good grief. Why don't you just link to Wikipedia or Snopes and be done with it? A bunch of ginned up argument by assertion and sophistry (favorites of the neoliberals who hang around here) is not proof of a hoax.

I'm with Paul in that I look around and I don't recognize the America I grew up in, the values that are promoted are alien to me, and we have a Fifth Column that seems to have as its foot soldiers: the baby boomers trying to relive their youth, entitled idiots who took out 200K for student loans in Marxist Indoctrination, and imported foreigners who demand America change to accommodate them.

That and everything Paul said. Colored me unimpressed with the face of the left.



You're not going to reach these people (linking to media matters, that left wing agitprop site! Hah!), but I applaud you for trying all the same. I came to the realization about how you did, especially when I realized that much of modern social justice is just Marxist theory wearing a new dress.

Paul Escobar


You have a website? I have this vague memory of visiting it maybe a year ago. Seem to recall a funny post about Krav-Maga. Maybe I'm imagining it.

Would like to add it in the bookmark collection if it's public.


I don't care about your culture wars. Media Matters, however left, is right on the facts on the O'Keefe scam i.e. when Karl Marx i.e. "that left wing agitprop site" tells you it's 12 o'clock, don't laugh, check your watch.

Either this is real, then PP indeed deserves some repercussions, or it is not, then we have scammers who deserve punishment for their slander. If you think this is awesome because it shows MM as what you think they are, well, then this feeds into to your your confirmation bias.

The US right has a track record of such scams, and this reeks of one. If fake it would have been done exactly to O'Keefe's script.

So, you read it here first.


To clarify:

"If you think this is awesome because it shows MM as what you think they are, well, then this feeds into to your your confirmation bias."

The question is if by accident or by design. That is the crucial question and the answer should make a difference.

If it is irrelevant whether it is fake or not, because everything that tars PP is welcome news, then Ahmed Chalabi was not a crook and a compulsory liar and BS artist but indeed a "hero in error".



I looked briefly on this. The videos are from the anti-abortion activist group "Live Action". Live Action did pretty much the same job on PP in 2012, and then they were found to have heavily edited their videos.

"The video Live Action released on Thursday, which takes place at a Planned Parenthood clinic in New York City, shows a licensed social worker counseling a supposed patient who says she will abort her fetus if it turns out to be a girl. In the portions of the conversation shown in the video, the counselor discusses the types of tests available to detect the sex of the fetus, tells her "it's not up to us to decide what is a good or a bad reason for somebody to decide to terminate a pregnancy," and complies with the woman's request to schedule an abortion at the end of the appointment.
But in the unedited video footage of the appointment, the counselor can also be seen recommending that the woman purchase insurance that covers prenatal care in case she chooses to continue the pregnancy, asks her if she has "definitely decided" that she wants to terminate and suggests adoption as an option.

"Because we're required to discuss all of a patient's options, is adoption something that you were interested in considering?" she asks the woman.

Leslie Kantor, vice president of education for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, said the video was "selectively and heavily edited in order to distort what actually happened."

Indeed, it is tempting to assume that. Beware, I found that on another leftist site, so feel free to ignore:


FOX eported on the latest attempt like this:

"Video from Live Action: Planned Parenthood Caught ON CAMERA Helping Sex Traffickers Get Abortions for Child Sex Slaves"

This would be one of those case where reality appears to have a left wing bias.

William R. Cumming

Concept of "do unto others as to yourself" predates MARX in Western History!


MM should have read PP, Planned Parenthood. I was in a hurry.



Yeah, if the left wing agit prop site that exists to defend Hillary Clinton tells me that its noon, I'm going to check the time just to be sure.

Talk about projection! Kvetching about someone else's confirmation bias while going out of your way to link to left wing cult marx BS aggregators. Ahaha!



Yeah, who could ever dislike the US' largest provider of baby murders???

THIS guy!



If by "Reality" you mean "Spin and a lot of after action CYA", then you might be right.

Shouldn't you be out demanding the right to murder a full term baby somewhere?

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