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18 March 2015

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LeaNder

"That would then be hawks and doves."

are the doves the Zionists, in your version of reality?


"Another interesting open question is whether Israel is in fact a democracy to begin with."

So, you had an epiphany lately? That a Jewish state cannot be a democratic state? ... Natan Sznaider wrote this over a century ago.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natan_Sznaider

Is there any wonder that Israel/Zionism is an anachronism "now" since born in European nationalism?

William R. Cumming

P.L. and ALL: IMO Bibi and the Israeli leader discussed as follows have a complicated history. Both Rabin's life and death. Is that relationship discussed in any open source articles or books? Does the term GOTTERAMEDUNG [sic] have any relevance to Bibi's history and policy? Does he believe he will save Israel [like Hitler said he would do for Germany]?

Yitzhak Rabin (Hebrew: יצחק רבין‎; IPA: [jitsˈχak ʁaˈbin] ( listen); 1 March 1922 – 4 November 1995) was an Israeli politician, statesman and general. He was the fifth Prime Minister of Israel, serving two terms in office, 1974–77 and 1992 until his assassination in 1995.

Rabin was raised in a Labor Zionist household. He learned agriculture in school and excelled as a student.

Rabin led a 27-year career as a soldier. As a teenager he joined the Palmach, the commando force of the Yishuv. He eventually rose through its ranks to become its chief of operations during Israel's War of Independence. He joined the newly formed Israel Defense Forces in late 1948 and continued to rise as a promising officer. He helped shape the training doctrine of the IDF in the early 1950s, and led the IDF's Operations Directorate from 1959–1963. He was appointed Chief of the General Staff in 1964 and oversaw Israel's decisive victory in the 1967 Six-Day War.

Rabin served as Israel's ambassador to the United States from 1968–1973, during a period of deepening U.S.–Israel ties.

He was appointed Prime Minister of Israel in 1974, after the resignation of Golda Meir. In his first term, Rabin signed the Sinai Interim Agreement and ordered the Entebbe raid. He resigned in 1977 in the wake of a financial scandal. Rabin was Israel's minister of defense for much of the 1980s, including during the outbreak of the First Intifada.

In 1992, Rabin was re-elected as prime minister on a platform embracing the Israeli–Palestinian peace process. He signed several historic agreements with the Palestinian leadership as part of the Oslo Accords. In 1994, Rabin won the Nobel Peace Prize together with long-time political rival Shimon Peres and Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat. In November 1995, he was assassinated by a right-wing Israeli radical named Yigal Amir, who was opposed to the peace process.

Rabin was the first native-born prime minister of Israel, the only prime minister to be assassinated and the second to die in office after Levi Eshkol. Rabin has become a symbol of the Israeli–Palestinian peace process.

Babak Makkinejad

Adam L. Silverman

US will not leverage her power against Israel's policies.

The electorate will oppose it.

Nor will EU, look for more free submarines from Germany.

confusedponderer

LeaNder,
Heritage is thoroughly conservative. It is led by Jim DeMint and his deputy is David Addington. That's what makes the idea of socialist infiltration all the more absurd-hilarious.

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/heritage_foundation

Certainly it is not any more absurd than to suggest that Islamists have infiltrated, through Grover Norquist, of all organisations, the NRA.

But beyond that there is this: While Adam asks an IMO absolutely reasonable question, the suggestion that the US is lagging behind in terms of economic freedom is, if not heresy, certainly a hard sell.

When one accepts that the Heritage index is accurate, as I do for the sake of argument, one has to accept that then the US may have to change their ways, perhaps learn from the Danes.

Best I can tell there is zero interest in the US to analyse what smart ideas the Danes might have gotten that the US could use.

I heard an economics professor from Harvard recount how his students kept asking him why they need to hear all that crap about foreign countries. Like Denmark. Yes, why if the US is by default best?

confusedponderer

In my above example hawks and doves are both zionists.

The Beaver

CP

"I heard an economics professor from Harvard recount how his students kept asking him why they need to hear all that crap about foreign countries."

That's why the young senator Cotton, graduate of Harvard ( two degrees) and a vet of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars DOES know that Iranians control Tehran. Wonder who should ? :-)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-tom-cotton-has-no-regrets-at-all-over-gop-letter-to-iran/
@ 1.17 secs
"Moreover, we have to stand up to Iran’s attempts to drive for regional dominance. They already control Tehran. Increasingly, they control Damascus and Beirut and Baghdad, and now Sana'a as well.”

LeaNder

cp, I may in fact be slightly better on US foundations on the right then on people like Grover.

But yes: always interesting to see a Harvard profs struggle with the narcissism of their students. ...

No idea if this link works Denmark versus Switzerland:

http://www.heritage.org/index/visualize?countries=denmark|switzerland&src=country

Seems Denmark gained index status versus neutral Switzerland around the time of the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons. ...

In any case with the exception of Austria "economic freedom" seems to be more easy in smaller places. Not the emperors that carry the economic load of playing the world's police force.

Well yes, Argentina is among the most repressed. ... I cannot quite connect the vague dots on my mind on Argentina, though.

http://www.heritage.org/index/

mbrenner

Let's place blame where it belongs. Obama & Co blew it - again. Netanyahu's antics here had placed him on the edge of a precipice. One nudge from the White House and he'd be gone forever. No Israeli leader can retain public support if it is made clear that his election means a breaking of the umbilical cord to Washington. A few well chosen words from the Chosen One in the Oval Office would have sufficed.

There is no antidote or compensation for stupidity and incompetence and cowardice of this magnitude.

LeaNder

Yes, I agree that complicates matters, but how many would there have been without a "little help" from us?

Charles I

Agreed, but which Palestinians? The ones who voted Hamas in Gaza, or the ones hostage to the security West Bankustan apparat that employs them? The leadership that Israel withholds taxes from if they color outside the lines? The peace process generation who know nothing but war, corruption, lies and anger?

There's no incumbent like an old incumbent . . .

steve

I agree with you. I think many US zionists were hoping for a more PR friendly face for Israel and its policies as opposed to Netanyahu's Chicago boss alderman schtick. The policies would be no different, just the new-and-improved personality which would allow Israel to buy another five years or so.

Jack

Mr. Silverman

I am in complete agreement with FND that the US is far from laissez-faire capitalism. I would argue that we have a form of crony capitalism and consequently concentrations of economic power through government interventions and sanction. I would also point out that the size and scope of our government has risen continuously over the past century. Total government spending as a percentage of GDP (federal,state, local) has been on a one way trajectory up. While the rhetoric of less regulation is trumpeted the reality is the opposite. All one has to look at is the growth in size of the Federal Register. I would also add that the recent decades of larger interventions by the government in our economy have also corresponded with rising income inequality and wealth concentration.

I agree completely with you that municipal budgeting is unlike a households, however basic financial principles are not repealed. A government cannot endlessly finance current consumption by passing the payment streams to future generations. While we don't know what the limits are in a particular instance, history has demonstrated that there are limits beyond which confidence in the finances of a country are lost to the detriment of the middle and working classes. The wealthy always avoid the harsh brunt of adjustment. I am of the opinion that much of the financial promises made by government at all levels are untenable and some point in the future that reality will strike massive disappointment to those who need it most.

Additionally we have seen in the recent past that as regulations have increased, regulatory capture by powerful oligarchic interests have also increased. Examples abound in the financial, healthcare, agricultural and defense industries. The small business owner and entrepreneur are at a marked disadvantage.

Maybe laissez-faire capitalism would be worth trying considering our experience with increasing government interventions over the last 75 years.

Babak Makkinejad

I do not believe that there is a way that economic efficiency can be measured at the national or international level.

In the Capitaloonia (another Makkinejad Thought Experiment - like the now famous Freedonia), all production work in agriculture and industry and many of services are performed by automated machines.

The surplus human labor is euthanized; leaving purveyors of individual services alive - a few mechanics, pipe-fitters, engineers, surgeons, etc.

With the advancements of robotics; surgeon, manicurists, and hair dressers are also liquidated.

And so on and so forth.

Until the members of the House of Parliament and an Executive, and a few capitalists are the only human beings that are left in Capitaloonia.

I do not understand why anyone still considers all these arguments about socialism, free markets etc. seriously.

r whitman

If Ayman Odeh can get some semblance of order and unity from the Israeli Arabs, surely some new leader can try with the West Bankers, Gazans and diaspora Palestinians.

confusedponderer

LeaNder,
my apologies for being a little mischieveous of late.

wisedupearly

umm, the solution is more Haredi?
With their lack of English and modern education?
BTW, what is the situation as regards Torato Omanuto?
thanks

jerseycityjoan

Prof. Brenner --

If President Obama had said those "few well chosen words" what would have happened here in America?

How many people in Congress would have backed him up?

How many would have gone crazy, both inside and outside of Washington?

We have really managed to back ourselves into a corner by elevating Israel into a uniquely special place whose interests and people we treat far better than we treat ourselves.

Are you really saying that Obama should just do what's right and forget the consequences? Because maybe that would be the best thing to do but boy oh boy, that would be one sudden, giant step away from what we've been doing for decades.

Imagine

military theocracy led by a charismatic strongman.

Imagine

we have been blamed for decades, see bin Laden. I do not see this changing.

Imagine

re: two state vs. one state: Just because two state is dead, does not mean that one state will magically fly. Look for more indefinite extension of the status quo: more settlers, further subdivisions into Bantustans, more walls through Bethlehem, etc. UN says Gaza will be unfit to support human occupation by around 2020 due to irreversible water-table damage; a subtle and almost untraceable genocide IMO. All Bibi has to do is wait, and let nature take its course. Likud has won; face it. I see no sufficient forces to effect change.

Cee

DC,


You know it.


A Special Place in Hell
by Bradley Burston

As an Israeli, I am ashamed that my prime minister is a racist

All this week, he made us one consistent promise: In his coming term as prime minister, there will be no hope. It is one promise that we have all come to believe he can keep.
By Bradley Burston | Mar. 18, 2015 | 12:00 PM | 23

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-special-place-in-hell/.premium-1.647564

Imagine

moving on: Bibi got a green light from mandate Congress, with a bonus from 47 Senators, and a second mandate from the Israeli people. He is now approaching his Saddam-in-Kuwait moment. I feel there's little reason for Israel not to launch a war of aggression on Iran. Speculations on what happens next?

Cee

Abu Sinan,

God rest his soul. I was also against the two state solution years ago when I learned the truth from him about that state.

I simply told people that there would be no peace until Palestinians and Hebrew grandmothers had to always share the same roads and water supply.

Cee

William,

Interesting that some Brits believed that Israel staged the hijacking of the French plane by using the PFLP. I wish I could remember if I read it in the Guardian or the Times of London.

A British diplomat named D.H. Colvin made that claim and the reason was to sour any cooperation between France and the PLO.

I must say that I told someone a few days ago that I wondered what Bibi would do next and then I hear about Tunisia terrorism today. I rule nothing out.

Btw, Netanyahu's older brother was killed during that incident.

Babak Makkinejad

Why should Mr. Obama or indeed any US President do anything about Palestine when it was the Arabs who lost it - and Jerusalem as well - on the field of battle?

Why oppose the Love interest of the electorate?

And even if he states something to the effect that its best for US not to tangle with Islam in a religious war, there are enough who would find that quite attractive - in my opinion.

I mean, look at Canada and Australia; they are one or two steps away from stitching crossing on their chests and fighting in the Levant again.

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