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01 March 2015

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anna-marina

For the consumption of the dumb.

Adam L Silverman

Because he controls the media within Russia. They report what the Kremlin wants, anything reported from outside is discounted as anti-Russian. In the translated blurbs I've seen excerpted from Russian media sources it is already being suggested that because the car was found abandoned in an area where Ingushetvians reside, that this was likely a hit contracted through this community. And the Russian media's speculation, fueled by some of Putin's comments, is that the real target was him and Russia as a provocation. For what is not clear. The attack on Mr, Netsov will be quickly turned into an excuse - to crack down on internal opposition, to further the revanchist behavior towards the EU and NATO, etc.

William R. Cumming

No real documentation of the following but Ukrainian-American friends tell me that Nemtsov had continued to visit Kiev many times in recent years and involved somehow in Ukrainian policy and issues vis a vis Russia.

b

The Kremlin most likely was not involved in this assassination at all. If Putin would have wanted him killed the man would have had a car accident or something similar.

The 22 year of Ukrainian girl (with a 56 year old Nemtsov) could have been a reason. She recently, was reported, had an abortion in Switzerland.

The various mafia businesses Nemtsov was involved in when he ran gangster privatization under Yeltsin could also lead to a motive.

Then of course there are various Ukrainian oligarchs who would love to stick on to Putin.

There is also the "regime change in Russia" crowd in Washington who will now use the killing to further their goal.

So the question to me is not "Why" but "Who"?

Putin had the least to win over Nemtsov's death and access to various other means to silence him. I find it very unlikely that he or his pals were involved.

Meanwhile three well known opposition politicians in Ukraine "suicided" themselves in the last few days. Is any "western" media reporting on that?

C Webb

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2974027/The-final-moments-Russian-opposition-leader-Boris-Nemtsov-caught-CCTV-Footage-shows-killer-foot-jumping-car-carrying-hit.html

turcopolier

b I agree that it is unlikely that Putin was so ham handed as to do this in this way. My SWAG would be a business connected "contract." pl

ex-PFC Chuck

According to The Saker, who is admittedly pro Putin, " . . even the “non-system” opposition refuses to blame the Kremlin".

I've been reading his blog for a while now he seems to call things as he sees them, whether or not they conform to the Russian government line. He's also not hesitant to point back to where he was wrong. His and his associates' coverage of the combat in Novorossia has, unlike western MSM, been far more right than wrong.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-01/tens-thousands-rally-moscow-mourn-slain-boris-nemtsov

turcopolier

rick

You assume that Putin would go through this complex evaluation of the 'Nemtsov Question" and decide to do something devious. In my experience, a political killing by a government is usually accomplished by a simple disappearance or an "accident." This would communicate the same message without the street theater and opportunities provided to the media. pl

JohnH

It doesn't really matter what went down. That's not the point. The point is to get Putin. The US media starts piling on whenever anything sinister might plausibly be blamed on Putin. They know their job, which is character assassination.

ex-PFC Chuck

Oops! Wrong link. The other one is worth a read as well, however.
http://thesaker.is/good-news-out-of-russia-even-the-non-system-opposition-refuses-to-blame-the-kremlin/

J

Colonel,

The Russian Government is leading a three-pronged investigation into Nemtsov's death, their three prongs being their Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, and the Russian Investigative Committee.

I'm sure that Russian investigators will be putting all those involved in the Maidan coup under close scrutiny as having the most to gain in the geo-political war against the Russian Federation.

Nemtsov was financially backed by western NGO money, those handling Nemtsov's money strings and where those strings lead in the western hemisphere will also be under growing closer scrutiny as well.

So many are now asking if London wasn't a major player in all of this. Hmmmm.......

The Twisted Genius

As curious as I am about this killing, I am much more interested in the MH17 shutdown. That investigation has gone strangely silent. Somebody is hiding something.

ex-PFC Chuck

Per J: "So many are now asking if London wasn't a major player in all of this. Hmmmm......."

Or the USA, like many are doing in the comment thread of The Saker's post linked in above.

Dismayed

@rick

"Maybe Putin's calculation is that nobody would believe that he would be this bald, so he can do this with impunity because he is thought innocent."

This is theoretically possible, but why bother? It's not like Putin doesn't have enough real problems on his plate to deal with without adding non-problems like a corrupt washed-out has-been pol who is no political threat. Actually, killing off the discredited losers (in Russia amongst the broader population) in the 'liberal' opposition could be counterproductive as it might lead new people into opposition leadership who don't have the heavy baggage of corruption and failure that Nemtsov had.

World-media, especially European, coverage of an assassination of any kind that takes place so close to the Kremlin makes Putin's government look less than completely on top of things. He and his faction having been trying hard to give the impression, especially to Europeans, that they are responsible people who can be good neighbors, subject to the constraint that their core interests are not infringed upon.

Putin as culprit seems unlikely from a cui bono perspective and I'll certainly not buy it without significant evidence.

turcopolier

TTG

My guess is that the airline is hiding the fact that the pilots dealt poorly with the weather and the sudden massive updraft. pl

turcopolier

Adam Silverman

"Because he controls the media within Russia" So what? He doesn't control the media outside Russia. pl

notlurking

"Meanwhile three well known opposition politicians in Ukraine "suicided" themselves in the last few days. Is any "western" media reporting on that?"

Any news links about this please.

toto

"Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?..."

Nobody thinks Putin personally and explicitly ordered the murder of Litvinenko. The final result was pretty much the same, as far as Litvinenko was concerned.

Fred

b,

What are the job prospects in the Ukrain for 22 year old women? So she dated an older man who had wealth and (potential) influence? Why is that relevant? For a counter point how old was Newt Gingrich's now wife when they started dating?

The Twisted Genius

pl,

I was referring to the one shot down over Eastern Ukraine last July. I think you're referring to the AirAsia flight that crashed in the Java Sea last December. I agree with your assessment on that one. Did you hear of the latest conspiracy theory about MH370? Putin had his polite men in green hijacked it and fly it to Biakonur Spaceport.

David Habakkuk

Adam Silverman,

1. Why should the fact that Putin 'controls the media within Russia' give him cause to murder a figure whose popular support was absolutely zilch? All the more so, as he patently does not control the Western media, and I find it difficult to see any reason why he should give fuel to the current campaign of demonisation being waged against him in the West for absolutely no apparent political gain. Can you?

2. On the question of the degree of state control of the media in Russia, I recommend a recent post by Professor Paul Robinson of Ottawa, which discusses a report on precisely this subject by the Russian journalist Vasiliy Gratov issued by a leading British neoconservative group, the Henry Jackson Society.

(See https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/the-new-censorship/ )

What Robinson suggests is that the dynamics of media control are not radically different in contemporary Russia than they are in the contemporary West – an argument intended not as an exoneration of them, but an indictment of us.

Having noted that Gratov argues that many journalists are actually willing collaborators with official manipulation, Robinson continues:

''In addition, Gratov divides the Russian media into three types: those outlets and publications which are 'foes' of the Kremlin; those which are 'friends'; and those somewhere in the middle. As far as the first of these are concerned, 'From the outset of the 2000s … there was no point in asking foes to do the Kremlin any favours, or to ask them to refrain from doing something. With then, as with the Western media, there was either a brisk, business-like relationship or no relationship at all.' This is quite an admission, for what it says is that the government leaves opposition media alone. It doesn't censor them, or otherwise try to influence them. They are free to publish what they like. This is not at all a 'restoration of the Soviet system', as Gratov describes it.'

What is however unclear to me, reading the original report, is whether or not Gratov is saying that the position of the 'foes' has weakened in recent years.

3. When I was young, it was a common conviction among Marxists in Britain that working class voters here had a 'true consciousness' which would naturally lead them to vote for the Labour left. Their failure to do so was, commonly, explained away by media manipulation.

It was a thankless task to try to explain to people that, although the influence of the media was hardly irrelevant, there were all kinds of other reasons why many working-class people were suspicious of the Labour left, and a very substantial number voted Tory.

4. Russian 'liberals' like Nemtsov and his associates provided over one of the greatest economic calamities in modern times – a state of affairs where a tiny minority of oligarchs grew fabulously wealthy, and a very large proportion of the population of Russia was thrust into poverty.

To see their total lack of appeal to most people in that country as simply due to media manipulation is perhaps questionable.

5. At the centre of the 'New Censorship', according to Gratov, the Russian authorities have 'placed the image of ''fascistic supporters of Stepan Bandera'. Exaggeration there doubtless is. However, there are also uncontestable facts.

The symbol of the Azov Battalion contains light transformations of the 'Wolfsangel' symbol of the SS 'Das Reich' Division, and also the 'black sun' set into the floor of the ‘Obergruppenführersaal’ of the castle at Wewelsburg – which, according to Wikipedia, became during the Third Reich 'the representative and ideological center of the order of the SS.'

The notion that the views of a Russian 'liberal' like Gratov represent a standard of objective truth, against which claims in the Russian media can be judged and dismissed, is not entirely plausible.

Tigershark

Perhaps it was more like this:

"What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?"

turcopolier

tigershark

"Murder in the Cathedral?" pl

turcopolier

TTG

My mistake. I like the Baikonur thing. Why would he want an old airplane? pl

Tom Welsh

"Surely Putin is not this dumb".

Of course he isn't. But the Western media-consuming public is - and the CIA know it.

"Why on earth would he have this gadfly killed on a busy Moscow street when it would have been obvious that he (Putin) would be the popular suspect?"

Of course he wouldn't. But the CIA would, if (as they know they can) they can make the Western media-consuming public believe "Putin did it". This has the CIA's dirty fingerprints all over it. (And if, by chance, they didn't do it, they have themselves to blame if sensible people think they did).

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