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26 February 2015

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Aka

sir,
So these idols don't have to be to be religious ones to be condemned ?

For example if they got their hands on "Mona Lisa", would they destroy it too?

turcopolier

AkA

Theoretically yes because of the shirk thing, but in this case the Mona Lisa is worth so much money that they might ransom it for a couple hundred million to fund the movement. pl

Tyler

Man oh man. Every day brings more horror with these people.

Amir

If the Al-Saud family three is literally held responsible for these kind of behavior, a kidnapping (though obviously the hostage should be treated with dignity) for a kidnapping, an extortion for an extortion, an exile for an exile; these people will learn their lesson and dry the funding. There are too many sanctamonious statements and no action, proving the lack of sympathy or empathy with the victims of DAESH, as the root cause.

turcopolier

Amir

IMO the Al-Saud are no longer in control of IS. pl

b

Check the timeline:

First there were reports about IS selling ancient art in London
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/06/140626-isis-insurgents-syria-iraq-looting-antiquities-archaeology

Then a video shows IS in the museum trashing the (unsellable) big figures and monuments.

The video also shows some of the small clay tablets, used as early books, of which (ten-?)thousands are in the museums collection. In the video none of these valuable clay tablets gets touched, smashed or otherwise damaged.

The meme "IS sells art to buy weapons" has now been demolished by the video. BUT IS now has thousands of small art pieces that can easily go to the art market without generating any headlines.

These folks ain't dumb ...

The Twisted Genius

First thing I thought of when I heard of this IS destruction was the actions in Timbuktu where AQIM and MOWJA started to destroy Sufi shrines and the great Islamic libraries.

elaine

Anna Lindh Foundation reports over 300 Christians kidnapped, 15 killed & 1 woman beheaded

www.ansamed.info/en

rick

If these loons were not so dangerous and hateful, I would feel my overdeveloped sense of pity for them. Hard for me to imagine the feeling that a fricking statue is a threat to my world. What can it be like to live like that?

I do understand that IS do not feel that way. I observe that they feel liberated and empowered and jolly about the whole thing. So much the worse. You can't do business with true believers.

Abu Sinan

Daesh might owe its roots to the Saudis, but they do not have any sort of control over them. Daesh I am sure gets some of their funding from Saudis today, but there is no establishment support for them. I think the Saudi establishment rightly realises that the movement they started has morphed into a Medusa that will eventually destroy the Saudi state if they can.

ked

I look forward to the almost-inevitable self-purification stage of the ISIS movement, when under internal disillusion & leadership stress, they turn upon themselves in a similar fashion.

turcopolier

ked

Yes. Revolutions do that. Who will be there their Robespierre? Or more importantly their Bonaparte? pl

Babak Makkinejad

As FB Ali mentioned in an earlier post, the aim is to destroy Muslim Culture (the way people live). That includes cultural heritage of Muslims.

The New Culture and the New Man would be something approximating a hermit in the desert; with all life reduced to very few basic elements.

This started in Saudi Arabia - they razed historical sites and building and monuments on the Arabian peninsula.

They first razed the structures of the Baqi'a cemetery, among them the shrine of Imam Hassan and nary a peep came out of the Muslim Ummah or the Iranian government.

Next they proceeded to raze the historical buildings such as the house of Khadija, the first Muslim women, and so on and so forth.

You used to be able to walk in the streets of Mecca and walk in the same alleys and streets as the Prophet and his companions did - no more.

And we all remember Taliban destroying the Buddha's in Bamiyan.

I heard that immediately after the Iranian Revolution, a group of men with bulldozers were on their way to raze the ancient monuments at Persepolis - and some mullah issued an edict against that.


Babak Makkinejad

Bonaparte was a man of genius and learning. Such a person does not exist among ISIS.

Babak Makkinejad

All:

The common and popular belief among both Shia and Sunni Muslims is that Christianity et. al are obsoleted by Islam.

Thus adherents of those religions are making a mistake by sticking to their beliefs.

ISIS, in my opinion, is only taking that common shared belief to the extreme, just like everything else that it does.

I too fear that the Assyrian men will be executed.

turcopolier

Babak

Bonaparte was a man of genius both militarily ans politically but with strange blind spots. He never did anything to develop the technology of war or military medicine for example. pl

turcopolier

Babak

"You used to be able to walk in the streets of Mecca and walk in the same alleys and streets as the Prophet and his companions did - no more." The Saudis did that, not the West. pl

Babak Makkinejad

Right; that is what I am saying.

different clue

b,

There can't be a buyer without a seller. Many sellers will buy in secret and hoard their aquisitions in secret. But still, if anyone discovered to have purchased any ISIS-sold art could be prosecuted under Material Support to Terrorism charges or the equivalent, might that deter some would-be buyers?

different clue

ked,

Since the IS is so valuable to the Baathists and the Naqshbandi Order army people and so forth who are giving it strategic (and tactical?) guidance, might those Baathists, Naqshbandists, the secret policeman and intelligence people and so forth work very hard to delay that kind of self-purification among the ISIS ranks and leaders until the Baathists etc. have gotten every last possible benefit from ISIS that they can possibly get?

bth

What about canning of food and improved surgical procedures for amputations?

bth

Col., I've been giving a lot of thought lately to ISIS activities and their need for cash. It seems to be a predictor of their actions - What is their easiest current source of cash?

In their early phases about a year ago they went straight for the banks in Mosul. Right for the cash.

Then they went for fungible hostages - Turkish diplomats, Turkish truckers, their truck cargo, and Hindu nurses. Then the women.

Then they went for the loot in the churches, Turkish trucks, the minority lands, farms, homes.

Then they went for the government grain silos, close oil and gas fields, smuggling routes into Turkey and the main gasoline refinery in Baiji.

Now they are likely selling small historical artifacts on the black market, seizing christian farmer hostages in anticipation of the upcoming harvest and taking road tolls where practicable between Iraq and Syria and between Kurdish areas and Baghdad.

If one asks where the easiest cash will come from now? It is likely a share of the oil fields in the contested Kirkuk area and the upcoming harvest.

I put the topic out there for criticism and consideration.

Bobo

I had a conversation today at my daily stop to pick up stores with the young Syrian Orthodox proprietor here in the USA only three years. His view on ISIS, while not for public ears, is that they want/need Cash first and a Caliphate second. He looks at the bunch of them as misfits and castoffs looking for their personal needs using Islam as a crutch in their personal purification. While he is biased as I the talk was interesting.

turcopolier

Bobo

"Syrian Orthodox proprietor here in the USA only three years." Never, never listen to an Arab Christian about Muslims. I am one of their protectors but they they justifiably hate the enemies of their blood.

Chris E

A recent BBC radio program uncovered fairly compelling evidence that a lot of Syrian and Iraqi art with origins in the areas occupied by ISIS were being sold on in London:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b052j57v

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