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07 January 2015

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alba etie

Mr Silverman,
Thank you for this post . It is remarkable & disturbing how pliant the American public is to the MSM fear mongering .

eakens

it's not the fear mongering that will get you but the misguided policies which accompany them

Swami Bhut Jolokia

True. Though the two often go hand-in-hand: fear-mongering creates fear in the minds of the general public, and if there's one thing politicians like to do it is to pander to their voters. Which results in stupid policies.

Don't you feel safer after being patted down before going into a sports venue?

Dubhaltach

Well as I've just remarked on Col. Lang's "Marianne under attack" posting these people will project their own fears and fantasies onto those of us who do actually live in Europe. With any luck neither the French government nor the French people will react to this attack in the vicious (in the case of your government) and craven (in the case of your populace) way that apparently now must be called the "American way".

The American way wasn't followed in Denmark in response to the attacks resulting from the Jyllands-Posten cartoons about Mohammed. I'm optimistic it won't be followed in France.

Dubhaltach

Dubhaltach

Dubhaltach

Mockery - show them up for the vicious and ludicrous idiots they are. Steve Bell shows the way:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-paris-attack-cartoon-bell

For those interested the Guardian also has a good explainer which includes sample of Charlie Hebdo cartoons dealing with religion and Mohammed specifically:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-islam-prophet-muhammad

Dubhaltach

Lord Curzon

Colonel,

Having condemned the murders of Parisian satirical cartoonists, I take it that Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia et al will now freely permit newspapers in their own countries to publish any cartoon they see fit!

Abu Sinan

European media isnt always better. At least one French site is claiming this is the worst terror attack in Europe since 2005. This conveniently forgets about the 60+ people killed by the right wing xenophobic Norwegian in 2011. I guess it doesnt count if they werent brown skinned and Muslim?

p s c

I disagree with Mr. Silverman's contention that Americans and the American media react with fear after such attacks.

Usually, the American people break out the candles and hold a vigil. And then the media admonish us for the umpteenth time that Islam is a religion of peace.

It is the Israelis that lash out in fear by bulldozing houses. Israelis also react with common sense in another fashion; restricting emigration to their country to peoples of Jewish heritage and or religion.

Soon, another airplane will crash in Asia and the media will be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. The Paris shooting will become an afterthought, like the workplace violence by Nidal Hassan @ Ft. Hood.

In the immortal words of General George Casey:

"I'm concerned that this increased speculation could cause a backlash against some of our Muslim soldiers ... Our diversity, not only in our Army, but in our country, is a strength. And as horrific as this tragedy was, if our diversity becomes a casualty, I think that’s worse."

Babak Makkinejad

Perhaps when Charlie Hebdo would publish caricatures ridiculing Shoah...

Babak Makkinejad

I would not, personally, go out of my way and exercise my free speech in Ferguson, MO by insulting any number of prominent African-Americans, their legacy, or heritage...

"Judgment" is missing in all of this....

Abu Sinan

Making light of or questioning aspects of the Holocaust would probably be illegal in France.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayssot_Act

Babak Makkinejad

I tend to agree with you, I still remember George Bush, showing up in a mosque in the days after the 9/11/2001 attack on the United States.

While I personally did not and do not agree with his foreign policies, I found his gesture to Muslims in US as well as in the world quite admirable.

confusedponderer

Yes, one has to give him that.

Fred

Babak,

Or by being against gay marriage:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/03/mozilla-ceo-out-for-opposing-gay-marriage/


jonst

I think you contentions are caricatures. I think you know little about the "American people". We (Americans) need to reexamine our motives, reactions, plans, and values. Grant you that. But the model is not European, Danish or otherwise. Their fetishes with 'diversity', artificially fueled and promoted by elites seems to be running up against some nasty European realities. Some in the populace seem to be saying 'enough', for the moment.

And further...I still recall Europe's disgraceful, in my opinion, reaction (or, non reaction) to the wars following the break up of Yugoslavia. Eye, meet your own mote. "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

rjj

credit for that political gesture most likely belongs to Karl Rove.

William R. Cumming

Okay great post but exactly how many terrorist attacks have occurred since 9/11 and elsewhere where the perps did not declare some connection to ISLAM?

IA CHINA the only nation-state to have declared ISLAM a national security threat?

Matthew

AE: Tony Karon found the perfect re-tweet:


"RT@Aboujahjah: I am not Charlie, I am Ahmed the dead cop. Charlie ridiculed my faith and culture and I died defending his right to do so."

Adam L Silverman

Abu Sinan,

If you're referring to what I think you're referring, that reporting is based on a quote from a former senior CIA official. He got asked about it, for some reason left out the Breivik attack, and a lot of news reports have carried the quote. These are followed by people complaining about the omission in the comments.

oofda

The retired general officer cited by Silverman was retired Air Force LtGen McInerney. He made this incident about POTUS and the NYC mayor being too PC. People like him take an incident like this and use it to project their own fantacies and fears. And McInerny has never been fond of the French people, so his concern is hollow. How did this nut-job ever get to be Lt-General in the U.S. Air Force? Among the bizaro ideas he has pushed are:

-The alleged WMD that lead to the Iraq war and never found were “spirited away” just prior to the US invasion by Russia, China and France.

–To prevent another terrorist attack on an American airline the following “If you are an 18 to 28-year-old Muslim man, you should be strip-searched.”

He should be ignored and scorned.

Adam L Silverman

Fred,

I don't think these two things are really equivalent. In the Mozilla CEO case, as the determination was made by the company's board of directors that keeping the CEO on, after the news broke of his financial donation on the anti-gay marriage/marriage equality referendum, would negatively impact the companies bottom line, Mr. Eich resigned. He was not fired nor was he terminated. Was he likely to be? Somewhere between possibly and probably, but he left with the benefits package he negotiated before he started. Now imagine what would happen at your workplace if you said or did something that became public knowledge that went against what your employer believed or felt was acceptable to his bottom line? You'd be lucky not to be fired. This is what is sometimes referred to as the private life of power. That despite the republican and democratic and liberal ideals of the public sphere, embodied in the Bill of Rights, very few of these actually apply in the private realm, which is often a tyranny. This includes the owners of companies claiming that their private, limited liability holdings should have 1st Amendment protections in regard to religious expression in order to tell their employees how to utilize the compensation they receive from their employment. Health care benefits, even employer based with an employer match, are part of the employment compensation package. It also includes the examples from the 2012 presidential elections of employers telling their employees how to vote - the most egregious example of this, a Florida business owner who told his employees that if they didn't vote for Governor Romney he'd have to start laying people off because the economy would get worse, just gave everyone pay raises and started expanding operations... Irony, how does it work?Perhaps the best chronicler of the private life of power is Professor Corey Robin and can be found here:
http://coreyrobin.com/2012/03/20/the-private-life-of-power/
http://coreyrobin.com/?s=private+life+of+power&submit=Search
http://coreyrobin.com/2011/07/19/why-the-left-gets-neoliberalism-wrong-its-the-feudalism-stupid/
http://coreyrobin.com/2012/03/14/birth-control-mccarthyism/

Fred

WRC,

Start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Then remember the warnings in the US by the Obama administration were about Right Wing extremists:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-of-radicals-on-right/

Adam L Silverman

Mr. Cumming,

I'll try to find a decent data chronology I can pull and put a post up with the numbers. I can tell you that the majority of actual incidents in the US since 2008, which we have decided to not call terrorism or connect to a larger set of overarching issues and beliefs, have not been conducted by Muslims. There have been over forty acts of terrorism either attempted (the failed MLK Day Bombing in WA) thwarted, or successful in the past six years and the majority have been conducted by white, male, ostensibly Christian, ultra-reactionary and/or extreme right and/or white supremacist and/or neo-Confederate individuals and groups. The most recent attempt was the largely unsuccessful bombing by IED of an NAACP office in CO at the beginning of the week. The suspect, generally not referred to in the media as a terrorist, is an older white male, balding, driving a late model pick up truck. A significant number of incidents between the Israelis and the Palestinians are not overtly Islamic or Muslim. The price tag attacks by ultra-devout/ultra-nationalist Israelis, whether they're settlers or not, are motivated by a combination of racial animus and religious prejudice. Many of the Palestinian attacks on Israelis, while conducted by Muslims, often stem not from an Islamic driver, but as response to the real and perceived injustices of the occupation.

alba etie

Correction Dr Silverman ..

alba etie

Matthew
Yes it is the perfect rejoinder. I am not an expert but I have several Muslims friends here in Austin , Texas -- that are not from around here . Each one of these Muslims friends I am certain would all be prepared to defend as I do our shared values enshrined in our Bill Of Rights . Most of these Muslim friends are even American citizens now . That would be the ultimate irony would it not that the shooters killed a Muslim Law Enforcement officer to 'avenge the Prophet " . Some of the same sort of irony that saw the Mass Murderer Timothy McVeigh kill Christian Clergy in OKC .

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