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16 January 2015

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"Although their identity has not been confirmed yet, word has it the two dead suspects are young locals who came back from Syria just a week ago, Redouane Hajaoui and Tarik Jadaoune, the third man being also a local with a Chechen background."

May I ask you to clarify this for me? Are you saying that all three of the suspects were of a Chechen background, or only the third man?

Patrick Bahzad

thx for raising the issue - will 'edit' and clarify right away

Charles I

Patrick thank you for these very detailed accounts. The role of the secular criminal underground and its various political ramifications and consequences has always fascinated me.

Today this tangentially interesting reporting on Turkish weapons smuggling to Al-Qaeda arrived in inbox.

"Turkish military says MIT shipped weapons to al-Qaeda

Secret official documents about the searching of three trucks belonging to Turkey's national intelligence service (MIT) have been leaked online, once again corroborating suspicions that Ankara has not been playing a clean game in Syria. According to the authenticated documents, the trucks were found to be transporting missiles, mortars and anti-aircraft ammunition. The Gendarmerie General Command, which authored the reports, alleged, "The trucks were carrying weapons and supplies to the al-Qaeda terror organization.” But Turkish readers could not see the documents in the news bulletins and newspapers that shared them, because the government immediately obtained a court injunction banning all reporting about the affair.'

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/turkey-syria-intelligence-service-shipping-weapons.html?utm_source=Al-Monitor+Newsletter+[English]&utm

Ishmael Zechariah

The Belgians have always played an interesting game. In 2006 they had actually declined to try a "terrorist" provably guilty for an assassination because she used a “half-automatic weapon".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fehriye_Erdal

http://www.todayszaman.com/national_erdal-scandal-shakes-belgian-cabinet_30459.html

What goes around comes around...

Ishmael Zechariah

Amir

What exactly came around?

In Belgian history, the political class' adagio is to "living and let live". They have survived by staying under the radar and quietly collaborating with all parties at the same time. And this even before the establishment of he country through out French Revolution, Napoleon, German Unification, WWI and 3rd Reich.

Their ruling class will not pay any price, don't worry.

Tyler

The question is will Europe do anything or will they insist on importing millions of more 3rd Worlders who hate them and everything they stand for while doing "unity marches"?

Time will tell I suppose. It could be raining bodies across Europe and you'd still have a fifth column of leftists insisting "RELIGHUN OF PEACE" and quoting General Casey about how "Our commitment to diversity would be our greatest casualty" like an idiotic sheep.

LeaNder

Ishmael, hmmm? I thought the Marxist-Leninist terrorist camp is extinct. But there you go.

Nevertheless the Belgium angle is not the only odd bit in the whole tale. So a lady with a fake ID carrying an unregistered weapon manages to escape shortly before the sentence in spite of a 24-hour surveillance by 30 agents? congratulations.

Back in Turkey she had let in the assassins of businessman Özdemir Sabancı. The killers were members of an extremist left-wing terrorist front, and are suspected to have been hired by a secular ultra-nationalist member of the Turkish Deep State, or the Turkish equivalent to the NATO Operation
Gladio:

"Recently released information has suggested that the assassination of Özdemir Sabancı's assassin Mustafa Duyar was planned by retired general Veli Küçük, who was detained in the Ergenekon investigation.[3][4]"

Image Erdal:
www.gva.be/cnt/aid1022455/fehriye-erdal-is-wellicht-dood

assassinated Özdemir Sabancı:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96zdemir_Sabanc%C4%B1

Ergenekon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon_%28organization%29

Amir

The bigger question is whether Europe allows its biggest competitor (e.g. United States of America) to drag it in the latter's conflicts of choice in Ukraine, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

As you stated, the Europeans will end up paying the bill of the humanitarian disaster AND loose their markets as well as become more and more dependent on NATO.

I remember a time when W.E.U. was being promoted by Belgian Prime Minister Verhofstadt as an indigenous - separate but equal to US - pillar within NATO.

Tyler

Amir,

I imagine it will until the point the countries of Europe go tell Brussels to pound sand and GTFO of their countries. That populist movements are getting any traction in the current media environment (the demonization of PEDIGA is amazing for the audacity of its lies) should be worrying to every technocrat on the continent.

LJ

I would concur. Further, this topic should be enlarged to consider the possibility of another version of Operation Gladio. It was so successful, why shouldn't it be considered as a possibility.

 Ishmael Zechariah

Most of those accused in the farce called "Ergenekon" have been released, including Gen. Veli Kucuk.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/25982900.asp

This farce has helped the islamist kleptocrats consolidate their power somewhat.

Ishmael Zechariah

Cee

Amir,

Look up the latest article by Paul Craig RobertS ON THE Paris attacks.

Babak Makkinejad

US being their biggest competitor?

You must not be serious - they are in lockstep with US in everything of substance....

EU is being diminished as we speak...

Babak Makkinejad

There were many who moved West from the Eastern Europe - they are also causing issues.

The Iron Curtain kept the riff-raff out of Western European states, a fact that was not much appreciated until the collapse of communism.

Just like the functioning dictatorship of Qaddafi was not - as a bulwark against the African masses...

Italy was a must better place in 1996 than in 2006.

Patrick Bahzad

As already mentioned in another reply to a comment, Turkey is not the only country that isn't playing a clean game here.
It's definitely taking part in weapons deliveries to Syrian rebel groups, but the people behind theses deliveries are certainly not in Ankara, although the Turks have definitely an agenda of their own.

Patrick Bahzad

Belgium survived many crisis of that sort, this sounds more lile 'small fish' in comparison to other stuff they had over there.
If you're interested in this kind of thing I strongly recommend the story of the 'Brabant killers' who are still at loose:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers

Patrick Bahzad

On this one, I think Paul Craig Roberts is embarassing himself ... His account is not only full of factual inaccuracies just to make his point ... So basically, he's employging the same technics he's accusing the MSM of using: telling half-truths or twisting the facts so they fit his point.

Babak Makkinejad

All:

Interview with Marine Le Pan

http://www.wsj.com/articles/sohrab-ahmari-the-champion-of-french-anxiety-1421452216?KEYWORDS=le+pen

Charles I

Sible Edmonds' Boiling Frog is still offering quality reporting on the Turkish angle, e.g. this piece on facilitating Chechen "refugees" transit through Turkey.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/12/31/capture-of-top-al-qaeda-operative-highlights-turkeys-role-in-u-s-nato-terror-operations/

Charles I

Now they will come to Europe by foot or by freighter in mass quantities in the next few decades, will really pit the South against the North. Bleeding hearts like me will wish there were Caliphates to keep some order over there while ruing authoritarianism at home. . .

Charles I

I just posted this in another comment below, deals with Chechen/Turkey/Syria transit. I'm interested where the criminals end, and the jihadis, nationalists, intelligence agencies begin.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/12/31/capture-of-top-al-qaeda-operative-highlights-turkeys-role-in-u-s-nato-terror-operations/

Babak Makkinejad

Good, so we now get to the gist of the matter; EU states cannot tolerate or endure for long chaos in their Near Abroad.

Let us see if any of these so-called sovereign states in Europe will act rationally on state interests.

I personally doubt it.

Tyler

Babak,

I imagine the guillotine will be back in style before long.

Tyler

Charles,

"Camp of the Saints" will be looked at as non fiction here shortly.

Larry M.

Amir,

the point has already been made that the attacks in Paris would probably not have happened if President George W. Bush and his "coalition of the willing" had never invaded Iraq. Of course, this comes with the usual warning about speculation how history could have taken a different course.

In any case, the big question about what will follow from the Paris attacks is whether they will reduce future willingness among European NATO countries to join any future U.S. wars of choice.

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