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07 January 2015

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oofda

Colonel,
You are correct- there is an operation now being undertaken in Reims

http://www.leparisien.fr/charlie-hebdo/en-direct-attentat-a-charlie-hebdo-12-morts-la-traque-des-terroristes-se-poursuit-07-01-2015-4426929.php

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2015/01/07/01016-20150107LIVWWW00152-en-direct-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php

Farooq

1 dead 2 in custody
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/charlie-hebdo-deadly-shooting-magazine-ran-muhammad-cartoons

Wish France had death penalty

Poul

The police seems to have identified the attackers. One of them was a known extremist who had attempted to go to Iraq in 2005 inspired the Abu Ghraib prison photos but ended up in jail instead.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/charlie-hebdo-paris-die-polizei-hat-die-verdaechtigen-identifiziert-a-1011818.html

Lars

From some reports I have seen, 2 men are in custody and 1 is dead. Unfortunately, this incident will be exploited by the anti-immigrant right wing all over Europe and make the area even more ungovernable.

Americans should be grateful that tribal associations here are by choice and not by legacy.

robt willmann

A short while ago, I saw for the first time one of the videos of the end of the attack. Caution: this one shows the uncensored killing of a person reports said was a policeman--

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1420632668

From the brief 42-second video, you can see that contrary to press reports, these guys are not trained commandos, just by the way they move...one is not covering the other in an effective way, in fact, not at all. And the getaway car has no driver! The two guys go down the street to kill the policeman, leaving the car unattended in the middle of the street with the doors open.

The only thing those guys had experience in was killing people. It does take practice to be able to kill people in cold blood. But fortunately, they were not otherwise skilled attackers.

Dubhaltach

"and make the area even more ungovernable."

I love how people who don't live here make ludicrous statements like that.

Only a few weeks ago I was told that my country was awash with rioters and that one of my neighbouring countries to the north was being scoured by hordes of ravening mooooooooooooslim men* intent on violating every Swedish woman they could get their hands (and presumably other body parts) on.

So to all of you flogging these dubious goods of an entire continent in disarray and collapse I have a simple question:

Project much?


Dubhaltaach

* Who are of course not white - the fact that they're moooooooslims and most emphatically NOT white was apparently very important, indeed it seems to be THE most important part of the ..... fantasy.

Abu Sinan

It will be exploited by the right wing in Europe, and that is the idea. Despite the foreign fighters in the Middle East, the vast majority of European Muslims reject extremist views of Islam. This attack, other than the obvious retribution against the people who published some offensive cartoons, was meant to elicit violent attacks and repression of European communities, thus driving them into the hands of the extremists.

confusedponderer

"... and make [Europe] even more ungovernable"

Europe. Ungovernable. Right. Do you actually live here?

Cee

Abu Sinan,

Le Pen is thrilled.

The Beaver

@ Farooq

MSNBC is wrong . they relied on the info given to them by their counter-terrorism officials based in the US.

Only two ( the brothers) are involved if you go by what they found in the Citroen ( get away car before they highjacked a second car after taking their time to remove the owner's dog from inside) are still on the run.

The Police screwed up about the 18 yr old. He was in class and his classmates are all over the social media talking about how the police/intel messed up

The Beaver

Cee

She wants to bring back the death penalty.

I guess no one was sent to the guillotine when 17+ Algerians were thrown into the Seine on October 17th 1961 or when the OAS tried to kill de Gaulle in 1962.

Dubhaltach

In reply to confusedponderer

No of course he doesn't he's just another American projecting what terrifies him onto us.

Although I did enjoy his tribal associations comment. That one gave me a good laugh.


Dubhaltach

turcopolier

Dubhaltach

Lars is an immigrant to the US from Sweden. As a Dane perhaps you should talk about Scandinavian fears. pl

SteveG

CP Dubhaltaach others from Europe.

I do not understand why these men who go to
various countries to learn jihad are allowed back
in the country. Does it make any sense to spend
time money and personnel to monitor these
people in case they might carry out an attack when
it appears that is their eventual purpose.

My city, Minneapolis, has sent 25 plus to al-shabab.
Two have been killed fighting for IS. It is unconscionable
to me to let any of these trained killers return.

turcopolier

All

I suspect that these two men are essentially unaffiliated with major jihadi groups although they may have spent some time in the ME where they picked up a little combat knowledge. One of them did time in a French prison for recruiting for jihad but that proves little since enthusiasm could lead to that. I agree with R. Willmann that this was nothing like as skilled an operation as it is being described as the media. Unfortunately this attack may well lead to other copy cat jihadi attacks in France and other parts of Europe. Several similarly outfitted men were seen yesterday evening at a rest stop on a highway south of Paris. they said they were going to Paris. Today we have a Paris city policewoman shot to death in south Paris while directing traffic around an accident. The killer was equipped in the same way as the Charlie Hebdo attackers. pl

Fred

Abu Sinan,

The two killers were born in France.

SteveG

Abu Sinan

People will gravitate to the right
when the left continuously encourages
mass migration and makes excuses
for lawless behavior. Culture clash
Is inevitable when assimilation is not a
goal but seperate identities are IMO.

Fred

Cee,

So is the President of Ukraine, this gets him more help against those "bandits" in Ukraine that are backed by Russia.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-russia-yatsenyuk-bandits/26783093.html

turcopolier

SteveG

So far as I know, it is not a crime in Europe and the US to travel to Syria, Iraq, Turkey, N. Africa. That being so, how can you legally prevent a citizen frm re-entering his/her home country? Do you want to make such travel illegal? pl

Babak Makkinejad

US Border Patrol has been questioning young men who have traveled to Turkey and are coming back to US. This has been going on for months, it seems to me.

turcopolier

Babak

Questioning is one thing. detention is another. people are not being arrested in the US for having traveled to these places. That will soon emerge as a possibility. pl

Dubhaltach

In reply to turcopolier 08 January 2015 at 10:28 AM

Well Colonel what I certainly don't fear being overrun by hordes of brown-skinned muslims. Nor do I fear that either my country or the one that Lars abandoned are going to become ungovernorable.

The attacks on Charlie Hebdo were a crime, a despicable and loathsome crime, but still just a crime. The way to tackle terrorism of the kind that has just taken place in France is by good police work followed by a criminal trial.

Treating this as what it is - a crime, is how you it clear to these criminal scum that criminal scum is what they are and that that is all they are. Mock them, humilate them, give them a fair trial, and then lock them up.

Half-assed pontificating about how Europe is ungovernorable doesn't cut it.

Dubhaltach

nick b

Col.,

Does the attackers' alleged possession of a rocket launcher indicate anything in terms of affiliation with a larger jihadi group? Or is that something a highly motivated person could obtain on their own? I have no idea.

Jack

Sir,

I hope we don't detain without reasonable cause. What about Americans that just went to Turkey on legitimate vacation? Paranoia is how liberty gets eroded and it seems we are on a steady path south in that regard.

SteveG

Col Lang.
Iam talking about travel to these
countries to learn jihad not absorb
the warmth of cafe society. Video
has shown leaders encouraging
these "recruits" no matter the amount
of training to bring the fight to their
countries of origin.

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