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21 January 2015

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alba etie

All
There are some real hard liners in Congress now. We should all pray that Bibi's visit does not cause the CongressCritters to pass new sanctions to the nuclear deal with Iran .

turcopolier

AE

They will have to pass them into law over Obama's veto. pl

alba etie

Col Lang
My concern is that the 'red hots ' in the Senate , -such as Senator Robert Menedez D New Jersey will find the needed 67 votes to override President Obama's veto . Our Overton window after the mid term election has taken a decidedly , IMO, hard right turn regarding overseas adventures. Perhaps this will be the time that Senator Paul stands up and helps defeat the neocons attempt to slap new sanctions on Iran. It is appalling that Boehner has invited BiBi to instigate this fight over the Iran deal . This is the same 'usual suspects ' that has wanted all along to 'destroy Iran" - by any means necessary .

The Twisted Genius

I know it makes me sound like a cranky old coot, but Boehner and the rest of the Israel firster congressmen and senators could just get their own visas, trot over to Jerusalem and kiss Bibi's ass in front of the Knesset. These periodic displays of fawning over Bibi in the Capital are just revolting.

Looks like Shoigu just signed a military cooperation pact with Iran. The S-300s may be on their way before long. Bibi must be apoplexic. Maybe he'll make like Rumpelstiltskin and stomp his feet so hard the earth opens up and swallows him.

robt willmann

Netanyahu was born in Israel and attended some (or all) high school in the U.S., and also went to college in the U.S. Is he also a U.S. citizen? If not, does he have a green card?

Israel is not a party to the U.S. visa waiver program; I was concerned that Obama was going to crater and help push through the fairly recent attempt in Congress to pass a law making Israel part of that program, but fortunately that has not happened so far.

In my opinion, the existing visa waiver program should be cut back with fewer countries having that legal privilege.

MRW

THANK YEW, Colonel! I cannot tell you how incensed I am by the Speaker's action.

MRW

Call Boehner's office: (202) 225-0600. *Traitor*.

oth

Can Bibi and KSA deliver 67 votes in the Senate?

Actually, I would not be surprised.

johnf

Barbara Boxer, Rand Paul work together on Iran bill

Their proposal would offer an alternative to a sanctions bill gaining steam in Congress.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/barbara-boxer-rand-paul-iran-bill-114446.html#ixzz3PX6wfpeO

NancyK

I fear that the Republicans added by some Democrats that are in the pocket of Israel can garner enough votes to override Obama's veto. Perhaps if we are enmeshed in another war thanks to Israel, it will bring more Americans out to vote in 2016.

alba etie

oth
Nor would I ..

DC

More proof that the Israel lobby owns congress. As pro-Israel money continues to flow into local elections, post-Citizens United, an increasing number of dangerous representatives in the U.S. are getting elected. You can foresee where this dark path is leading. Ironically, one of the best hopes for curing the loaded bias in the U.S. election cycle is for the Israeli voters to cure themselves of the growing numbers of pro-war representatives in their own house. There must be some way for U.S. (and the World's) interests to speak to everyday Israelis, to help them see the human race more objectively. Humans are not inherently evil, despite the evil acts that some of us do. If the Israelis cannot come to see this, is not interminable war in our collective future?

Lars

This may complicate matters:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-01-22/netanyahu-mossad-split-divides-u-s-congress-on-iran-sanctions

William R. Cumming

P.L. To answer your question in the post Article II Section 2 of the CONSTITUTION REQUIRES TREATY RATIFICATION BY THE SENATE.

THE LANGUAQGE EXTRACTED:
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur; . . ."

And an extract from Article VI:

This Constitution, . . . ; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land, . . ."

turcopolier

WRC

I understand that POTUS needs senate consent for TREATIES but we are not speaking of a treaty. pl

Matthew

TTG: It's really a question of Obama's political courage. He should inform the House & Senate that Bibi has not been invited by the White House and a visa will not be issued.

Predictably, the Congress will then let Bibi appear by video-link. Obama would make a statement that Bibi was not invited and we do not cotton him interfering in American foreign policy. Obama should also tell the Democrats that he expects them to skip the video uplink.

Finally, Obama should invite a very important guest to the White House at exactly the same time.

Swami Bhut Jolokia

Matthew, agree with you 100%. Perhaps he should invite the Pope?

The Beaver

@ robt willmann

"Is he also a U.S. citizen?"

You can't be a US citizen and represent or is in the govt of a foreign country.
That's why both US citizens who were invited to represent Israel as its Ambassadors in DC had to give up their US citizenship before taking that function.

The same for the dual citizens working at Foggy Bottom: you can't vote for the legislatives of your "foreign" country whilst you are a State Dept employee.

Imagine

I see this bears watching again:
"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gets 29 standing ovations from Congress"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asGvjbfIASA

Anthony Lawson's primary thesis: Congress pays billions to Israel; Israel implicitly/explicitly supports AIPAC with millions; AIPAC pays thousands to Congress. The second leg is unclear, but on the whole the big picture seems pretty accurate. This forms an "iron triangle" which is indefinitely self-sustaining. It's also an amplification feedback loop, driven by the fourth-leg power source of the American taxpayer.

Implications: Like loudspeaker feedback into a microphone, this self-amplifying circuit is expected to increase until it saturates (can't increase any further, tops out). It is only effective because Congresscritters can be bought for such amazingly low dollars. When the price of Con-men goes up, either the influence of Israel is expected to decrease, or the flow rate of grants to Israel / funding of AIPAC is expected to increase.

Funding runs on drama. The main source of drama is wars. Bibi desperately needs to divert attention from Palestine, for at least another four years until the Gaza water supply reaches 100% incapacitated and irrecoverable, and the U.N. / ICC initiatives. Congress has already voted to follow Israel into war against Iran, once Israel pre-emptively attacks in righteous self-defense. America also needs to divert attention away from its economy with poor fundamentals. The neo-cons have already successfully declared war on Russia, something unthinkable even a year and a half ago.

I see the potential for this being a lot more serious than a mere speech.

tv

You're missing the point, actually two points:
Politics - at that level - is hardball. Obama likes to play hardball.
Now Boehner (finally) is playing it too.
As for the Constitution, well again Obama apparently has his own version, so what's good for the goose is...........

Tyler

Obama on one side, Boner and Netanyahu on the other.

Is there any way everyone involved can lose?

Babak Makkinejad

I think a US-Iran treaty that buries the proverbial hatchet and opens a new chapter in the bilateral relations is an excellent idea.

Laura Wilson

Alba -- In this case Boehner is looking for a "two-fur": destroy Iran and make Obama look bad. Hopefully, he has miscalculated on both and cooler heads will prevail. This look like governance by spite.

Charles I

impossible for earth to swallow Eretz sized ego.

Charles I

ironically, or sickeningly, more than 90% of BN's election funding comes from Americans, 50% of it from 3 entities:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/meet-the-american-families-bankrolling-netanyahus#.yyJaVPDEA

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