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04 November 2014

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Nancy K

An excellent article Mr. Sale, thank you. It seems we are an angry country and the ongoing campaigns of mud slinging, name calling and outright lies seem to have replaced baseball as our national sport. With 4 billion dollars spent on this midterm election what it shows is that we do not have the best democracy money can buy. We are being cheated.

Valissa

Here are some interesting articles I've come across lately that relate to your theme above, though coming from different perspectives.

As an independent voter myself, I appreciated this piece...
Yes, Independent Swing Voters Are Real. And May Decide Who Wins Elections http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/03/how-swing-voters-keep-washington-divided.html

Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change. The people we elect aren’t the ones calling the shots, says Tufts University’s Michael Glennon http://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html?p1

Book Review of… ‘National Security and Double Government’ by Michael J. Glennon http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/books/2014/10/18/review-national-security-and-double-government-michael-glennon/tUhBBdSj8s0WW1HoWUf20M/story.html

Here is a paper that Glennon wrote, on the theme of his book, for the Harvard National Security Journal... http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Glennon-Final.pdf

Bobo

Great article but the Truth always Hurts. Another election and 50% or less accepted the responsibility of their citizenship and voted. I believe there is value in the Purple Thumb as at least then those without a stained thumb can be shamed for their lack of responsibility.
Something is in the water up there in the Commonwealth of Virginia as of this writing there is a whooping going on though only 50% of the vote is in. Hats off to the independent people of those rolling hills.

rick

But are are we victims of this process or perpetrators?

kim sky

ANY THOUGHTS ???

"disciplinary actions against senior officers in the nuclear war command"

not ready for war, too ready for war ?

thanx, kim

turcopolier

kim sky

If you knew anything you would be dangerous. There is no "nuclear war command." senior officers do not make decisions to go to war. The idiot civilians that we elect do that. pl

Cee

It is a vile time.

Indeed it is.

The long con worked.

People are going to get what they deserve for voting in those who take legal bribes, in addition to our tax dollars in the form of health benefits (that they don't want for others) and a fat paycheck to then drown the very government that is supposed to represent US! WTH.

Grover Norquist - I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.

Why Do Republicans Hate Government?
http://themoderatevoice.com/34855/why-do-republicans-hate-goverment/


How the Koch Brothers Orchestrated the Shutdown

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/how-the-koch-brothers-did_1_b_4143928.html


WI-Gov: Koch Brothers Spend Big To Dupe Voters By Propping Up Pro-Weed Libertarian Candidate
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/04/1341557/-WI-Gov-Koch-Brothers-Spend-Big-To-Dupe-Voters-By-Propping-Pro-Weed-Libertarian-Candidate

You can't blame The Kenyan. Look in the mirror.

kim sky

turcopolier ...

then perhaps having added this question about Nuclear Missile Command to this post about IDIOT CIVILIANS (politicians) versus ANY REAL -- was not such a bad idea?

does seem weird to me?

Cee

All,

I forgot to add something about our latest senator who will be given the best health care money can buy.

Ernst Thinks Churches Should Provide Health Care

Joni Earnst, the Tea Party-aligned Republican Senate candidate from Iowa, doesn’t understand why anyone would need health insurance through the Affordable Care Act. Why can’t they just go to the churches and get antibiotics, vaccines or open heart surgery?

In audio obtained by Iowa Public Radio, Senate hopeful Joni Ernst told a group of reporters that the reason Republicans oppose Obamacare is because the job of caring for the poor is simply not the purview of government. The poor, she said, should rely on churches and charitable organizations for help.

“We’re looking at Obamacare right now,” Ernst said. “Once we start with those benefits in January, how are we going to get people off of those? It’s exponentially harder to remove people once they’ve already been on those programs.”

“We have lost a reliance on not only our own families, but so much of what our churches and private organizations used to do,” she went on. “They used to have wonderful food pantries. They used to provide clothing for those that really needed it, but we have gotten away from that. Now we’re at a point where the government will just give away anything. We have to stop that.”

Maybe she thinks that if sick people go to a church instead of a doctor, they can be faith-healed instead of having their medical conditions treated. And people say the Republicans don’t have a viable alternative on health care…

elkern

Election season makes me glad I took John Prine's advice to "blow up your TV" a couple years ago (though it wasn't that exciting - I just stopped paying the cable bill). I watch TV only at my exercise joint - almost exclusively sports - and I switch channels during ads, so I can usually avoid the political crap. But it's been obvious for a while that all the political ads fall focus on two things: I've got a nice family, and the Other Guy is BAD. Mostly the latter.

I think some of this is an unfortunate side-effect of the type of Democracy we invented here - "Plurality Wins" - which inadvertly led to the two-party system. A few states have run-offs when one candidate doesn't get a majority (ie LA), and some have experimented with open primaries with a similar effect (CA), but most of us are stuck voting for the "lesser evil" - mostly voting against the Other Guy.

Us Greens have been pushing for Instant Runoff Voting (IRV - google it) for a while, and I think it would lead to more polite & positive elections - once we get some viable "third" parties. In traditional "plurality Wins" elections, voting for a third-party candidate is (not unreasonably) disparaged as a wasted vote.

Also known as "Ranked Preference Voting", IRV allows voters to chose theire 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc choices in any single-office election. If no candidate gets 50% of the 1st place votes, the votes cast for the last-place candidate get shifted to their 2nd place candidate & the votes are recalculated. This continues until one candidate gets over the 50% mark.

This kind of voting could engourage candidates to try to win 2nd-place votes from independent voters - possible leading to more positive campaigns.

Hey, it's worth a try. What we've got now is badly broken.


But there's a bigger problem which IRV doesn't address: MONEY. Good luck with that one.

Fred

Kim,

Is this what you are refering too?

http://news.yahoo.com/2-nuke-commanders-fired-another-disciplined-000334863--politics.html

turcopolier

Cee

Get a grip! Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes... Do you want these people banned from voting and holding office? We all would have individualized lists. pl

rjj

Iowa is not urban, Cee.

Fred

Elkern,

"most of us are stuck voting for ..."
You left out the option of running for office.

Fred

Cee,

You mean all those Iowan's who voted for her don't actually agree with Senator elect Ernst's views but they are just poor dupes?

Larry Kart

Heard some bits on the car radio from Obama's afternoon press conference while it was happening. Judging by his tone of voice, he seemed deeply relieved, perhaps along the lines of "Hey, guess I don't have to govern much anymore now, apart from an international crisis or two, and even there..."


Also this, from a friend who served yesterday as an election judge in Chicago:

"The highlight came at the end -- when it was time to count the ballots cast -- and one of our four judges (a fifth had called in sick) declared: 'I can't count.'"

Larry Kart

Cee

Col Lang,

LOL. Forgive me...I don't what that bear comment means.

I don't want people banned from voting, nor do I want literacy tests, as some in the GOP want. Even veterans couldn't vote in this election for being in the wrong party or presenting the wrong ID.

An example of the GOP mindset that lives on

Paul Weyrich – “I don’t want everybody to vote”
http://blog.cesinaction.org/2011/08/31/gop-at-work-undermining-our-democracy-in-coordinated-effort-to-take-away-your-right-to-vote/

I do want people to use common sense and not vote against their own interests.

West Virginia is another example of the Iowa voters.

Capito is the new senator, even after taking donations ( don't care if it was a penny) because she is or will be beholding to her campaign donors, one of whom
caused the spill that contaminated WV's water.
She even said that the EPA regulations should be rolled back.

Just stunning.

Laura Wilson

Cee--It is indeed odd that the exit polls indicated that people were voting against the Dems because the economy was worse than it was two years ago…it isn't. Objectively, it is better. In addition to the long lie…it is the big lie.

Not great…but definitely better. It is also amazing that raising the minimum wage passed in so many red states. When it gets THAT basic, people do know how to vote their economic self-interest.

Odd times…bad media = odd voting patterns.

Laura Wilson

Cee--I wonder if she will turn down her benefits and refuse to go to the VA for the rest of her life. I'm sure her church will take care of it all!

Laura Wilson

Turbocopier--LOL, we would all, indeed, have individualized lists! Thanks for a reality check and chuckle.

Fred

Laura,

What measure of objectivity are you using to state the economy is better?

Macgupta123

Steve Farley (D), a state senator in Arizona, wrote:

"I understand why people didn't turn out, since candidates' expressions of why folks should vote FOR them were drowned out by their consultants' and backers' ads yelling about why folks should vote AGAINST their opponents. And, call me old-fashioned, but I believe reasonable, moderate people turn out when they feel motivated to vote FOR someone.

But I don't accept that as an excuse. As Americans, our founders bequeathed us a grand democratic experiment that depends on an informed, motivated electorate that takes part in the public realm in the form of elections. People in new democracies around the world proudly wave their purple-inked thumbs in the air after waiting in line for hours on end, braving marauding gangs in some cases, to exercise their hard-fought right to vote. Surviving negative 30-second spots to find out the truth on our own and then vote that truth doesn't seem so hard in comparison as a way to honor that sacred trust we all share as Americans."

Pete Deer

I didn't blow up my TeeVee...some years back I executed it with a 12 gauge shotgun and a box of 00 buckshot.

Best thing I ever did for my mental health and well being.

Pete

Cee

Laura,

You jest. LOL!!

William R. Cumming

Just noting for the record lowest voter turnout for 2014 mid-term elections in 72 years.

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