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19 October 2014

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BabelFish

Looking forward to part 2. This needs to be read by many more people than SST devotees.

richard sale

Thank you. It was hard to pull together.

Richard

dan of steele

fascinating, I too look forward to the next installment.

Seamus Padraig

My favorite Ben-Gurion quote will always be:

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

It kind of explains the central conundrum of Zionism in a nutshell: in order for Israel to survive, it must perpetually keep/put the Arabs on the defensive, usually by destabilizing their countries. If ever stability were to return to the Arab countries for any length of time, Israel would eventually be in serious trouble.

Prisoner 6

A good accounting of this can be found in The Iron Wall by Avi Shlaim. Moshe Sharett is truly a tragic figure.

Jonathan House

I very much agree and have already started circulating the link.

confusedponderer

Jabotinsky was just as sober about it when he wrote:

"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future ...

My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.

The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."

http://www.jabotinsky.org/multimedia/upl_doc/doc_191207_49117.pdf

Note the nowadays unfamiliar honesty when he calls what Israel does by its proper name: Colonisation.

He makes another obvious point - that the Arabs are the **natives** in Palestine. A country that has natives has a people. Israel was not a land without a people for a people without land. That phrase was hogwash from the onset.

The difference bewteen the likes of Jabotinsky and Ben-Gurion and the nut that is Bibi is that the latter publicly blames the Arabs for their hostility - as if Israel just happened to find herself one morning surrounded by hostile neighbours. That nonsense echoes in the US pro-Israel crowd.

For all their thuggery, I prefer about the early Israelis that they at least were not as contemptuous of their audience as Bibi and his peers are today.

Oofda

No, thank you. This is excellent work and as Babelfish said, needs to read by a lot of people.

Oscar Romero

The history is different but the story is the same for the US, both in this country and abroad.

William R. Cumming

Richard many thanks for this opening to the past. My problem is that I believe that the Holocaust largely succeeded and many formally or informally colluded in its execution. The result, a religion of ZOMBIES arose post holocaust just as the NIHILISM underpinning west culture during and after WWI. We are all ZOMBIES after that event.

The rest of the world must gaze in awe at the suicidal tendencies of the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims
and wonder if one or all of these "religions" will pull the rest of the world into oblivion.

The only "real" afterlife may the rate of radioactive decay!

Cee

Richard,

What a great article. I do need to say that many of us used to believe that Muslims were always hostile to Jews and that justified the animosity and land grabs. I feel ashamed to have been so wrong for so long.
I suggest a wonderful book...Among the Righteous by Robert Satloff. Secondly, it's outrageous that Muslims anywhere are paying for the Holocaust when they had nothing to do with it!!

LOL on the chicken brained scheme!! Most people have no clue this even happened. This is just one reason I always question what happens and if Israel has a role behind the scenes.

Another chicken brain failed scheme is mentioned here...http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/06/24/exposing-israel-s-most-dangerous-secret/

Again, great article and looking forward to part two!

Cee

Oscar,

Absolutely!

Moshe Dayan once remarked "describing Israel's relationship with the United States":

"Our American friends offer us money, arms, and advice. We take the money, we take the arms, and we decline the advice." (Iron Wall, p. 316)


Babak Makkinejad

I seriously doubt that the "we" in your statement about "Zombies" is applicable beyond North America and Europe.

South & Central Americans and Spain and Portugal had nothing to do with Shoah.

Babak Makkinejad

Christians are also paying for that; Ramallah used to a Christian city, like so many other villages and hamlets in Palestine before Israelis got to it.

May be if Ramallah Christians were Baptists, people in US would have noticed their predicaments or been more sympathetic.

Babak Makkinejad

All:

One the men most responsible for the current irresoluble situation (except through war and more war) was King Hussein of Jordan.

By entering the war and losing the control of the Al Haram Al Sharif he single-handedly planted the seeds of religious war that is going to consume many more lives before it ends.

jdledell

Richard - Thanks for your essay. Looking forward to part 2. As an Israeli citizen I have to agree with what you wrote about the Israeli psych. My grandfather was Irgun and knew all the players including Ben Gurion. He always told me that Ben Gurion had no intention of living with the UN borders created in 1948 but had insisted that Israel had to also have Judea and Samaria and all of Jerusalem as well.

Even in the early 1940's when my grandfather was most active in the Israeli fight for independence, the waters of the Litani were always considered crucial to Israel. I fully expect Israel to move in that direction in the nest decade as the West Bank aquifers are being depleted quickly.

will

The Lavon affair.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Interestingly enough, I think that Lavon, the surname of Phinas Lavon, means Lebanon in Hebrew.

Poul

Interesting to see that Israel's policy of supporting the South Lebanon Army had old roots.

confusedponderer

That is probably true, too true for comfort.

confusedponderer

That will inevitably bring them into conflict with Hezbollah.

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/aug/10/world/fg-litani10

"Whenever Israel throughout history has thought of its northern border, they don't talk, for example, of the mountains as a border. They always think of the valley of the Litani," said Mohammed Shaya, dean of the college of social sciences at Lebanese University in Beirut.

Israel has said repeatedly that it has no designs on Lebanon's water.

"There's a policy decision at the highest level not to target those water pumping stations," said Mark Regev, a spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry. "We don't claim an inch of Lebanese sovereign territory. We don't claim a gallon of Lebanese water. We have no hostile intentions whatever towards Lebanon as a country, towards the Lebanese people or towards Lebanese natural resources."

But the enduring suspicion in Lebanon that Israel regards the water of the Litani as its own and the lands to its south as a security perimeter help explain Beirut's reluctance to accept any U.N. cease-fire resolution that does not call for an immediate Israeli withdrawal from the region.

At a minimum, Lebanese officials fear that the repeated attacks on water facilities -- as well as bridges, highways, power plants and roads -- signal an intention to debilitate Hezbollah-dominated southern Lebanon and enable a long-term Israeli presence there.
...
The Litani flows 102 miles, entirely within Lebanon. It courses south through eastern Lebanon's Bekaa Valley, before turning sharply westward just 2 1/2 miles from the Israeli border, then heading through the coastal plain, past the town of Qasmiya to the Mediterranean, north of Tyre.

Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann, who would become the first president of Israel, in 1919 included the Litani valley among the "minimum requirements essential to the realization of the Jewish National Home." David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, proposed including the Litani again in the 1940s on the eve of the creation of the Jewish state. In the 1950s, historical records show, Moshe Dayan, then chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces, and others favored occupying and ultimately annexing southern Lebanon up to the Litani River."

Now of course, let's for the sake of argument assume that future events would leave Hezbollah weakened.

Then Lebanon could do little to resist Israel seizing of the Litani, just as Assad cannot do anything about the Israelis having seized the Golan.

Israel's past behaviour is that they would view such weakness as an opportunity for expansion.

On security grounds, naturally. The insecurity is why they are able to grow wine on the Golan, and go there for skiing.

Babak Makkinejad

Lebanese have been aware of that Israelis covet Litani for the at least two generations - perhaps longer.

Babak Makkinejad

Another way of looking at this is that there is 200-year long war which will be fought over Palestine and in and around Palestine.

Setting the start date of the war at 1924 - after the murders of very many European Jews in Hebron by Christian and Arab Muslims - we are at its 90-th anniversary with no end in sight.

Likely, this war will go on for another 90 years and there would be changes attacks and counter attacks.

I think it is clear that since US and EU have chosen side in this war and because Arabs and now the greater world of Islam have not accepted tactical defeats as strategic ones, this , the war will not end any time soon.

I would not be surprised if there is war in 2114.

Bandolero

All

Those interested in the treasure trove of Moshe Sharett's notices about that time in history I'ld like to recommend this to read:

ISRAEL'S SACRED TERRORISM - A study based on Moshe Sharett's Personal Diary, and other documents. Foreword by Noam Chomsky

http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/essays/rokach.html

Origin

Babak,

You are probably correct in your view that this is a centuries-long war over greater Palestine and the Levant, but your start date is at least 26 years late. One can easily argue that this war began at least as early as 1896 with a declaration of war by Theodore Herzl with the publication of his pamphlet, The Jewish State.

richard sale

I would agree. He was a man of very generous impulses and was thwarting constantly by Ben-
Gurion. The Israeli military destroyed him.

Richard

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