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23 October 2014

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no one

Sir, agreed that the grand jury will not find grounds to move forward to a trial.

"Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson’s account, but none have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety" is a sad and disturbing statement. IMO, it amounts to domestic terrorism (i.e. violence to achieve political ends). Worse it seems to be that such terrorism is becoming widespread and strangely accepted at least as normal, perhaps even legitimate, by certain media outlets and not a small proportion of the left - ironically, the same bunch that calls us conservative to libertarian gun owner "crazy" and "dangerous".

Anyhow, something is going to have to be done about that kind of baseless revolutionary violence sooner or later or this country is in for some very troubled times.

Nick

Col. Lang-

The fact that the Wash Post story is posted in the "Politics" section sort of says it all, no?

Will Reks

Pat,

I think there may be further protests and even some incidents of looting, like what happened in the days after the Ferguson event, but the people you are referring to were fairly restrained after the Zimmerman acquittal and I expect they will be here as well. In any case, sales of arms in Missouri skyrocketed after Ferguson and I expect that the troubles, if any, will be restricted to the usual areas.

oofda

However, the expert in question has now said that her comments were taken out of context. See below
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Judy Melinek, one of the forensic experts who was quoted by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Tuesday about the Michael Brown autopsy report, is taking issue with how the newspaper portrayed her comments.

The key piece of Melinek's analysis, according to the Post-Dispatch's original report, was that the report of Brown's autopsy "supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound. If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun.”

That would be consistent with Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson's version of events, as reported by the New York Times and others. Melinek was also paraphrased by the newspaper saying that the autopsy was inconsistent with witness accounts of Brown having his hands up in surrender when he was shot by Wilson.

But Melinek told MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell on Wednesday that her comments had been taken "out of context" and that she believed the findings could be explained by other scenarios as well.

"What happens sometimes is when you get interviewed and you have a long conversation with a journalist, they're going to take things out of context," she said. "I made it very clear that we only have partial information here. We don't have the scene information. We don't have the police investigation. We don't have all the witness statements. And you can't interpret autopsy findings in a vacuum."

She and O'Donnell then walked through a variety of alternative situations in which the gunshot residue found on Brown's hand -- the key finding that suggested Brown had been reaching for Wilson's gun -- could have gotten there.

"I'm not saying that Brown going for the gun is the only explanation. I'm saying the officer said he was going for the gun and the right thumb wound supports that," Melinek. "I have limited information. It could also be consistent with other scenarios. That's the important thing. That's why the witnesses need to speak to the grand jury and the grand jury needs to hear all the unbiased testimony and compare those statements to the physical evidence."

turcopolier

Will Reks

I do not agree. I think there will be widespread rioting and the sales of arms and ammunition are demonstrative of what will happen. pl

Matthew

Col: Having lived through so many of these police shooting stories over the years, I am always profoundly cynical of the "immediate" or "poll-driven" memes about what actually happened. The media is always wrong and the courts do a much more reliable job of ferreting out the truth.

However, the legitimate anger should be about the back story to this shooting: How a white police force funds itself by nickel-and-diming the majority black population. That’s not as sexy or sound-bitey as a shooting, but it’s the real scandal. See http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/09/03/how-st-louis-county-missouri-profits-from-poverty/

Fred

Col.,

"Seven or eight African American eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with Wilson’s account, but none have spoken publicly out of fear for their safety"

Where is the AG on defending the "Ferguson Seven"?

Fred

Matthew,

There were some discussion on the what you are phrasing "legitimate anger" on earlier threads.
The "white" police forces are funded by the municiple governments. Those folks who feel oppressed need to go register to vote then change who's in office by using the democratic process.

turcopolier

Fred

"The Ferguson Seven," I like that. Eventually the mob will be chanting "give them to us." pl

Tyler

And of course the media that ginned up this war on blacks narrative for the umpteenth time because its an election year never, ever apologizes.

curtis

The dragon's smile gets broader.

Matthew

I wish it were that simple. Matt Taibbi wrote a great book on this phenomenon called "The Divide."

Swampy

Look what happened in Georgia when the "folks who feel oppressed need to go register to vote then change who's in office by using the democratic process."

http://www.vice.com/read/why-does-the-state-of-georgia-keep-going-after-black-voters-918

Fred

Matthew,

The structure of Missouri government didn't change recently and all these people in St. Louis county had ample opportunity to vote. The other thread has details on the demographics of Ferguson including the transiency of a portion of the population. WAPO and the author's friends at arch city defenders are pushing an agenda which most Missourians will soon tire of.

Matthew

Fred: You do realize that Blacks are minority statewide in Missouri?

I live in Texas. So I can speak more comfortably about my own state. We have a large minority population, but the entrenched power structure is still very white.

Your faith in the ballot box delivering fairness to minorities clearly surpasses mine. I'm not saying you are wrong. Merely, that I don't share your faith.

Anyway, I use a simple heuristic on race issues: I ask, "Do you believe that white privilege exists?" If the person says "No," then I terminate the conversation because I lack the persuasive skills to close that gap.

Politics is not geometry. You can't prove or disprove a sense of grievance. People feel it or they don't. And the "majority of Missourians" don't get to decide whether the black minority has a grievance...in the same way I don't get to decide your views.

As always, best wishes.

Matthew

Tyler: I'm still waiting for the media to apologize for the Iraqi WMD hysteria. I will die waiting.

turcopolier

Matthew

I am sorry but that business about the unavailability of the ballot to Blacks is just nonsense. It is 50 years since those barriers fell. they don't vote in large enough numbers to have their way in local elections like the St. Louis suburbs. The state wide situation is not important they should take control of their towns. My French Canadian and Irish ancestors stared my WASP ancestors down and took political power. why not the Blacks? pl

Anonymous

At the least there will be many cases of white people throughout the country, mostly elders, being the target of revenge by blacks instigated by the media excess. The "progressives" will have their thirst satiated, if not by the courts, then by the black mobs.

There is a term coined by the "progressives," it's called the Missing White Woman Syndrome. It reflects the disgust they feel at the sight of a white person in need receiving attention beyond what they consider proportionate. They attribute such concerns to racism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome

Now compare the ample support they give to attention beyond reasonable proportion when it suits their purposes, even, or especially, when it carries the prospect of violence as the result of devious misinformation inciting extreme racism.

They will have their thirst satiated, yes. But of the innocent blood, every guiltless drop will be a woe, as was said, a sore complaint against them whose wrongs gave will to the vengeful hand.

Tyler

Matthew,

Wtf is this "white privilege" shit? Whenever someone starts talking about it they reveal themselves as a spoiled idiot morality striver who's never heard of Appalachia.

White privilege. Marxist BS.

Tyler

Matthew,

Except the NYT did. Did you fight in that war? Otherwise why do you care other than to try and bring up a decade old cluster.

Nancy K

In some states it is difficult to vote and the ballots can be rather confusing. My husband has 2 Masters, 1 in English and I also have a graduate degree and we were having trouble figuring out the ballot. If you are not well educated it can be a difficult task. But then again there are those who feel that only the well educated should vote and they make the voting process rather difficult. My mother is 89 and she thought the ballot was extremely difficult and she was unsure if she filled it out correctly. All of the various districts mentioned were confusing to her. The ballots in CA were very easy to understand. I think maybe in NC they want to make it a little more difficult. Two years ago when we first voted here and the Democrats were in control, the ballot was a lot easier to follow. We need a national standard that will satisfy both states rights and a national election.

Fred

Swampy,

Look for the leadership of the black state senator in Missouri and see what she accomplishes.

Fred

Matthew,

Perhaps my English was not that clear. The nonvictims in Missouri are going to get tired of being called racist by their fellow Missourians working for arch city defenders and the author of this string of biased reporting from the WAPO.

I lived in Texas too and work with Texans daily still. Thanks for the shocking news that politics is about power and that politicians from the time of the Grachi brothers have been concerned about the poor only in proportion to the power it gains them. As to white privilege you need to get out and meet more poor people.

BLL

Grand jury proceedings are supposed to be secret. These leaks are to prepare for the possible vote not to indite OR to set the stage for a fair trial and a knowing jury pool. The Brown family lawyer and other "leaders" have complained about the leaks. The pot calling the kettle black, I believe. The Brown family demanded the right to do their own autopsy, which they promptly released. No secret to family autopsy. So that leaves only one question. Riot now when no indictment or riot when jury acquits? Same result just a matter of time.

Will Reks

Anonymous,

This isn't S. Africa or Zimbabwe or wherever that kinda thing happens. There's no version of Hutu radio here instigating mobs of blacks to go out and murder white people. This sounds like the stoking of unnecessary panic and fear.

Most of any violence done by the kinds of people that riot will be restricted to property and businesses in their own communities. That's the sad truth of rioting. It's pointless and stupid and hurts their own. It will be suicide for mobs of blacks to go out and harass people in the suburbs after the jury decides not to indict. They know this.

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