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01 August 2014

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Charles Dekle

Col Lang,
In my opinion they all three should be prosecuted and jailed if found guilty but I think that you are right. To quote an old friend of mine of Polish extraction, "that will happen when pigs fly and cows give beer!"

Kind regards,

zanzibar

Thanks Pat for fighting the good fight!

Our country has gone so far down the rabbit hole that a normal course correction is no longer possible.

Today few people notice the dichotomy in the rule of law and the inherent contradictions and conflicts of interests in our foreign and economic policies. Both the left and right continue to push for bigger government to enforce their swag.

IMO, we'll need a significant institutional catastrophe before the majority wake up to the colossal failure in the immense growth in statism, resulting in what some are now calling the "deep state" that acts with impunity.

fanto

CK - that sounds awful for the situation of the "People" if the "government of the people , for the ppp. ..." can and will most likely get away with this. The US democracy is really in the "intensive care unit" and in "critical condition"

different clue

Obama and Holder are more than just afraid of the "too much" that these three individuals might know. Obama and Holder also politically and personally believe in and support the concept of immunity and impunity for these three and for many other operators at high levels of finance and power.
So do many (how many?) other Democratic officeholders. Pelosi lent aid and comfort to immunity and impunity with her infamous decision that "Impeachment is off the table." She will go down (and I do mean DOWN) in history for that "Ford pardons Nixon" moment.

Charlie Wilson

Col:

You are a dinosaur. Your country, a pathetic carcass, should honor you and be proud of you.

turcopolier

CW

Woof. pl

turcopolier

CW

"You are a dinosaur." Does that mean I should roll over and play dead? pl

samuelburke

So Col would you say then that in some way or another we are ruled by a Junta?
Just because there are two political parties that make up the Junta does nothing to diminish the fact that they do as they will and get away with it.

turcopolier

samuelburke

more like an oligarchy. pl

Valissa

Some recent articles and research on this... and I believe the full name for it is "Plutocratic Oligarchy"

The research paper… Testing Theories of American : Elites, Interest Groups and Average Citizens http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf

My favorite article summarizing the results of the research paper...

The ‘Duh’ Report: Study says America is an Oligarchy, not a Democracy http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/218858/the-duh-report-study-says-america-is-an-oligarchy-not-a-democracy/

From Wikipedia... The Iron Law of Oligarchy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy

Peter Brownlee

Self-regulating autarchies are everywhere -- and possibly always have been -- but new technologies mean that we now know the knaves better and have the vids and texts on a USB drive.

The problem seems to me to be precisely in the "oversight" myth where the overseers have to rely/know well/are colleagues past, present (more or less) and/or (they or their near-relatives hope) future of the nominally overseen.

And while they want to know all about you -- "If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear!" -- this ludicrous and demonstrably absurd mantra does not seem to apply in reverse.

As has been said often enough, they do it because they can. I can recall many instances (fewer lately since I have put away such childish things) of revelation that the person with whom I was discussing some destructive myth or fantasy had no interest whatever in this and was only interested in keeping the house of cards steady.

Perhaps they were right.

But all the naked emperors had better watch out in an era when games-playing kids know more about commstech that the deputy assistant grand viziers. (And probably have more efficient gear as well.)

The Twisted Genius

Many years ago, my great grandmother would proudly tell us children, "I shot the bolsheviki." In another time and another place, I would have gladly gut these three loathsome sons of bitches. And later I would proudly tell my children that I did so.

turcopolier

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/77318/the-propaganda-and-dishonesty-of-israel-its-lobby-and-obama/#more-77318

pl

David Habakkuk

Colonel Lang,

I think Larry Johnson brings out a crucial fact – that it really is difficult to see any exit strategy for the Israelis, or indeed any coherent strategy at all.

In relation to Israel's demographic problems, butchering a thousand or so Palestinians every few years is an irrelevance. In relation to perceptions of the country in the outside world, it isn't. A system of inhibitions rooted in fear of being accused of anti-Semitism is collapsing over here. Whether it can survive in the United States is obviously the key question.

The progressive collapse of old inhibitions here is well described by Robert Fisk in an article in this morning's 'Independent'. A staggering aspect is the audience ratings on his story: 'strongly disagree' 136, 'strongly agree' 2K.

(See http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dress-the-gaza-situation-up-all-you-like-but-the-truth-hurts-9641240.html .)

crf

Keeping the torture thing under wraps would have necessitated parallel, secret, undocumented and probably unlawful methods of keeping discipline and secrecy in the CIA.

Once those were developed, those methods are at risk of being applied to any problem that might hold those in power in the intelligence agencies accountable. Even if that wasn't the intention.

So what we have here is a clash between the two methods of organisational accountability: between the law with public or congressional accountability, and between an undocumented, secret and corrupting power structure.

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