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Charles I


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Babak Makkinejad,

I would compare "christian"Zionists to Chinese Red Guardsmen during the Cultural Revolution. These folks provide the mass to reinforce the neocons in the form of demonstrations, CUFI rallies and phone calls. If it wasn't for them the neocons wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as they are today.

Babak Makkinejad

Well, I am stating my opinion, putting on the table a model of how the world is actually working - based on religious conviction as well mutual antipathies.

And I think you are entitled to yours.

Babak Makkinejad

Thanks Nancy.

There was a commentator here a few months ago who mentioned that in her opinion Catholic America is also squarely on Israel's side.

And a former commentator on this site, Professor Kiracofe, has written an entire book on this subject of Christian Zionism.

The other commentator that pointed out to the profound love of Protestants for all thing Old Testament was David Habakkuk - whose last name is owed to the infatuation of one of his ancestors not with another woman but with Ancient Israel.

From these and other sources (say : Genesis: Truman, American Jews, and the Origins of the Arab/Israeli Conflict) I have come to the conclusion that only religious conviction could explain the posture of the Atlantic Alliance and such of its outposts such as Australia and New Zealand - over many decades - and not some secretive or not so secretive cabal of Jewish agitators.

And I cannot accept the usage of those usual suspects as the escape goat or the shield behind which Christian religious conviction has coalesced.

This is not by itself bad.

If the NATO states and Australia and New Zealand publicly state that the survival and existence of the state of Israel is a matter of religious faith and conviction for them, then may be Palestinians, Arabs, and other Muslims can move on that basis forward towards a cease-fire but not peace.

Medicine Man

Well Babak, as far as I understand you are neither precisely correct nor entirely mistaken. There is broad support for Israel amongst large segments of the US Christian community but their support is largely rhetorical. By contrast AIPAC and other connected individuals provide the lion's share of influence over policy makers and money. Of course both groups are significant but it is a case of broad/shallow support vs narrow/deep -- or at least this is how it was described by Jeffrey Goldberg.

If your main point is that you refuse to hold up AIPAC, et al, as scapegoats and spare the electorate your scorn, then I don't really disagree.

Babak Makkinejad

Thanks - that is what I am saying.

Babak Makkinejad

I do not scorn the electorate, I am just saying that they must accept responsibility for their choices.

There used to be a joke:

Question: What is a committee?

Answer: An animal with 20 pairs of arms and legs but no brains.

Ishmael Zechariah

Colonel Lang,

If the link below is to be believed, six corporations controlled 90% Of the US media in 2012.


It might be interesting to find out whether those who control these six corporations have "integrity" or just "interests".

Ishmael Zechariah

P.s: I just finished "The Irregulars: Roald Dahl and the British Spy Ring in Wartime Washington" by Jennet Conant. It describes British psyops during WWII and their attempts at controlling the media. Did you read it? What do you think of it?


If you always look at the world through green-tinted lenses you may, indeed, claim you live in the Emerald City.


Ironically, considering the slanted coverage, I'm surprised the support for Israel isn't higher.


Nice snark cp, few words speak a lot sometinmes.


Are you sure that line was not from a much older B&W Western?



"Are you sure that line was not from a much older B&W Western?" first used by Fred McMurray in "The Rains of Ranchipur" in 1955. John Wayne never said this. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_A_man's_gotta_do_what_a_man's_gotta_do pl


You and Nancy should read The End of Days by Gershom Gorenberg


Well, at least I was sure it was not Mr.T, it is too rich a statement for his writers could have put into his script.

And it sounded too overtly macho to come out of the mouth of JW, so it had to be some kind of obscure Western, I am sure a script writer even back then would have conjured up such a line. But the phrase has cultural roots, i have heard many a redneck utter it. I am sure they never knew where it came from, but it sounds so true.


If the power of Christian zionism or conviction is Israel's strength, please explain why abortion is still legal in all those countries?

With all due respect, can you tell me how many major media outlets are owned and operated by Christian zionists (apart from Murdoch, another story altogether). If you have a moment please point me to any featured op-eds in support of slaughterhouse Gaza written by any Christian fundies. Do you have the name of a Goy philosopher who is able to influence the foreign policy of a major country the way BHL was able to.

It seems most Christian support is based on the fact that Arabs are dark and Muslim and Israelis are sold as all white and European like themselves.

I often see this stuff, like oh' it's actually one-legged Koreans that are the real support for Israel.

Babak Makkinejad

And please tell me how an ostensibly secular alliance of 27 states is supporting one side of a war that is completely predicated on religious texts?

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