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08 June 2014


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Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God...

Matthew 5:9

Babak Makkinejad

Col. Lang:

I think the aims of the Allied Powers was to reconstitute the occupied states.

I think Israelis have been deliberately brutalizing the Palestinians in order to cause them to leave the Occupied Territories.

They have been successful in that Christians have been leaving - Ramallah, I heard, used to a Christian city.



Yes, when we grew up in the late 40’s and 50’s it was a remarkable period in time. The overlords recognized how close to the edge society had come and ruled with law and order and concern for the ordinary people. Unlike today, when it is everybody for themselves and damn tomorrow.

The Palestine Occupation is a cancer. The ideology behind it, stoking religious and ethnic hatred for power and land, is metastasizing across the world from Israel to Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Chad and Ukraine.



All the tribal groupings you named were just a little bit "bat guano" crazy well before 1945, when the Jews started crawling out of the ovens and heading south to the the "Promised Land".

I do agree with you, tribalism is reemerging world wide as the great nation states start to lose their power and will to control the tribes.


Not just Ramallah, but as I understand it, but the cities that ought to be far more familiar to world's Christians, Nazareth and Bethlehem, used to be Christian cities well into 20th century. (granted, Nazareth is in Israel proper, rather than the Occupied Territories, but it remains a mostly Arab city, or so I'm told.) Not that most Christians of the West know much about the Arab Christians, though, even in the biblical cities like those in Palestine or Syria....


"I do agree with you, tribalism is reemerging world wide as the great nation states start to lose their power and will to control the tribes."

I think the EU is an interesting example of that. Intentional or not, it has undermined the status of its member states and given aid to regional separatists across the continent.

Abu Sinan

I was born in Germany to US officers. I spent the first five years of my life there where we lived in local housing on the local economy. My father learned and spoke German and we got along great. I have since gone back many times.

You are correct, the occupation of Germany, Austria and Japan are nothing like the occupation of the Palestinians. We treated these peoples in such a way that within a decade or two both countries were off and running and ended up being technological and production power houses.


Abu Sinan

Both of your parents were US military officers? pl

Laura Wilson


Laura Wilson

Again, thank you for a powerful and insightful comment on one of the most pernicious issues of our time.

Abu Sinan

Yes, my father was prior enlisted Army who got out after serving in South East Asia in the late 60's, got his degree, and became an officer with the Air Force. My mother was a nurse in the Army. This was back in the day when they booted women who got pregnant, so her career ended when she got pregnant with my brother, although they came back like 25 years later and wanted her to join up again as a major due to a nursing shortage.

Both my sister and I were born in Wiesbaden in the early 1970s.


A little-remembered anniversary remains largely ignored by the MSM: http://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/08/leaving-the-uss-liberty-crew-behind/

Larry Kart

"..when the Jews started crawling out of the ovens and heading south to the the "Promised Land."

You do have a way with words, Highlander.


Most of Israel's founders did not escape the Holocaust. They had immigrated to Palestine decades before. The so-called Promised Land was inhabited by thousands of people already and the Zionist Project was built on land stolen from them.

The "tribal" people only became crazy because they refused to accept the outright thievery of their patrimony.

Larry Kart

Matthew -- My point was that "crawling out of the ovens" struck me as a peculiarly ugly choice of words.

Charles Dekle

Col Lang,

From January 1998 until November 1999 we lived in Bedesbach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedesbach at the bottom of Freisen Hill. My wife was the civilian Chief of the Social Work Clinic and I was an Associate Professor for UMUC in Baumholder.

Our little village had several festivals while we lived there and Judi and I would always attend. The Germans were always gracious and treated us very well. During each celebration several of the village elders would always insist that we sit at their table and have a beer with them. It turns out that all 4 or 5 of them were former Wermacht soldiers and had spent time in the states as POWs during the war. They were very interesting and very nice to us. I am sure that they are mostly passed on by now.

I have been an adjunct and full-time associate professor for UMUC since we lived in Sicily and worked for the Navy beginning in 1995. However, my fondest memories of students were the tankers and artillerymen who took my algebra and computer programming courses at Baumholder. Sometimes they would come in directly from the field wearing their coveralls and face paint. They were a great bunch and I am very proud that I had the opportunity to know them.

Germany is a pretty civilized place to live. A great deal of the credit for that goes to the US Army.



Larry: Agreed. All Holocaust comparisons are either intellectually sloppy or inaccurate. I never confuse Likud with Holocaust victims. I never compare the occupation, which I hate, to the Holocaust, either.

Sorry for my tone; my irony detector is out of service.



What wording would you prefer?"The quaint Nazi tea party came to an end, and the Jews lost their free housing in Germany. So they had to look elsewhere."


over a few drinks, I once heard a couple of USArmy spooks describe Germany as a very polite authoritarian state in a tuxedo. They also included Switzerland in the same description .

Charles Dekle

Thanks for the chuckle. I would agree but add that the streets are even cleaner in Switzerland. ;-)


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