"The newly discovered group in Saudi Arabia is the first group to be revealed to have ties with ISIS, which broke away from al-Qaeda in Syria and entered into a war against it. This war is ongoing despite the intervention of al-Qaeda’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahri. So far, it is not clear whether ISIS established a new group in Saudi Arabia amid the conflict with the mother organization in Syria — Jabhat al-Nusra." Al Monitor
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Well the Saudi idiots have asked for this. pl
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"The former head of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission Brigadier General (res.) Uzi Eilam just dropped a bombshell (no pun intended): "The Iranian nuclear program will only be operational in another 10 years," he told the Israeli paper Yediot Ahronoth. "Even so, I am not sure that Iran wants the bomb." And he added that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is employing needless fearmongering about Iran's atomic aspirations in order to further his own political aims." National Interest
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More lying on the part of the Israeli government. Thank God that Eilem is man enough to tell the truth. pl
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"Russia is planning to send a total of 36 of these jets by 2016, the Kommersant newspaper reported. “We will fulfill obligations under a previously signed contract for the supply of 36 Yak-130 jets,” the Russian newspaper quoted a source close to the Russian arms exporter Rosoboronexport as saying. The daily reported in June that Syria made an advance payment of $100 million to Russia for the first six Yak-130 jets under a contract signed in December 2011. Meanwhile, Russia newspaper Pravada, which is associated with the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, reported a source close to the country’s aviation business circles as saying that Moscow is planning to deliver nine aircraft to Syria before the end of this year and twelve aircrafts next year." Al Arabia
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This is not a game changer in Syria but my pal, Basilisk, who knows of such things tells me that this is a fitting successor to such aircraft as the A-10 Thunderbolt 2 and the SU-25 Frogfoot, pl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak_130
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SU-25
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II
Yak-130 as successor for A-10 or SU-25: One big difference - while the Yak can fly slow and low and has decent weapon capabilities it has no, as in zero, protection for the pilot. No titanium bathtub or the like. It is a trainer that can do some groundwork when needed. It is not a real earth eater.
Sure, better than risking an expensive fast mover. But I'd rather fly something different for close air support.
Posted by: b | 09 May 2014 at 02:24 PM
Well, since I'm not on the Yakovlev/Aermacchi marketing team, let me temper that. I personally like the Yak-130 very much as an adnanced trainer and even for fighter lead-in if your Air Force flies MiGs. It is, however not comparable to the A-10 or even the Su-25 FROGFOOT in terms of pilot protection. The Russian Air Force turned the Yak-131 (the single seat ground attack variant) down on account of that factor.
That said, the air defense environment over the rebel-held areas may be relatively permissive. Plenty of people have been hammered by the A-37 Dragonfly in various theaters. The yak 130 looks more formidable than the heat-packing version of A-37 Tweetie Bird.
I would guess the new little Yak will be a net gain for the Syrian Air Force if only on aesthetic grounds.
Posted by: Basilisk | 09 May 2014 at 02:40 PM
Basilisk and b
You are just being mean to me. pl
Posted by: patrick lang | 09 May 2014 at 05:30 PM
Isn't being able to fly away a whole lot better protection than the guy on the ground getting shot at by these things has?
Posted by: Fred | 09 May 2014 at 06:03 PM
fred
Yes. I spent a lot of time in an O-1 Bird Dog flying with USAF FAC pilots. These guys were remarkably free of the "Goden BB" worries of many. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 09 May 2014 at 06:27 PM
That YAK is a pretty little plane.
Posted by: Tyler | 09 May 2014 at 10:00 PM
What do you retired career military people think of the USAF's recently announced plan to kill off the A-10?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/07/buck-mckeons-a-10-sell-out/
Posted by: ex-PFC Chuck | 10 May 2014 at 12:02 AM
In addition to the pilot protection issue, the Yak-130 weapons load is 40% that of an A-10.
Its gun (gsh-301) is an interesting design, in that it manages to be very light weight (so that it can be put in such a tiny plane) and fire 30mm shells, but it does this by being partly disposable, needing a barrel replacement if the pilot feels a need for a 7-10 second burst, or about 80 seconds of cumulative use. All in all it is possibly a smart design, if you have a hard boiled perspective on pilots' lives.
I just finished a book on flying with the USAAF 8th air force in WW2, and the perspective on the value of aviators' lives embodied in the Yak 130 design is still advanced relative to how it was back then. The comparison to ground pounders should be considered in light of the fact that the only worse job category in WW2 was german Uboat crew.
Posted by: MS2 | 10 May 2014 at 01:07 AM
Take comfort in that it is a brilliantly designed airplane that is said to have spectacularly good flight characteristics. Apparently the chief designer Konstantin Popovich did a good job.
It's so good in fact that it's western derivative, the Italian version Aermacchi M-346 just may become NATO's, and under a suitably Americanised name even America's to gloss over it's Russian origins, standard andvanced trainer.
"In the United States, Alenia Aermacchi plans on bidding the M-346 Master for the United States Air Force's T-X program to replace the aging Northrop T-38 Talon. The company had initially considered submitting the aircraft as the prime contractor, but changed its mind in 2010. The company also rebranded the aircraft as the T-100 Integrated Training System for the competition. Alenia anticipates moving the final assembly location from Italy to the United States if it wins the competition. About 350 aircraft are expected to be ordered to replace the T-38, but further purchases could push the overall purchase to over 1,000.[22] In January 2013, Alenia Aermacchi signed a letter of intent with defense contractor General Dynamics to compete for the T-X program business. Under the agreement, General Dynamics C4 Systems will serve as prime contractor for the M-346 and related training systems."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi_M-346_Master
Posted by: confusedponderer | 10 May 2014 at 03:02 AM
Blowback is a bitch. I guess it works the same everywhere. There was a good article a few months back, that reported on a rural Yemini minority in Saudi Arabia. Systematically discriminated against by the government, they have provided many of the most committed alQaeda operatives.
Rare statement of sanity from the IAEC. I wonder where there information comes from? Netanyahu and his supports are creating so many problems. I hope they sometime are able to realize how much damage they have brought to causes they support.
Posted by: jon | 10 May 2014 at 10:48 AM
jon
"a rural Yemini minority in Saudi Arabia. Systematically discriminated against by the government, they have provided many of the most committed alQaeda operatives." This would be in Asir Province in the SW, specifically the Wadi Najran. I used to creep about there a bit and never knew what would happen. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 10 May 2014 at 11:00 AM
ex-PFC Chuck,
I saw this article on Bloomberg the other day. Perhaps it is of interest.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-06/combat-vets-champion-warthog-plane-brass-wants-scrapped.html
Posted by: nick b | 10 May 2014 at 11:02 AM
The first 9 Yak-130 attack aircraft will be trainers. It will take a while for the Syrain Air Force to be fully operational- training for pilots will take a while. Also the logistics train has to be estblished and maintenance people trained. Further, the deliveries of the Yak-130 to the Russian Air Force have been slow- so it may take a while for the entire order to get to Syria.
The Syrian AF already has a decent ground attack capability against the insurgents- with Su-22. Su-24, MiG-21 and other fighter-attack aircraft, along with attack helos. Correct in that this is not a game-changer, especially in the short run, but an excellent follow-up to the Frogfoot. We may also even see the Italian Aermacchi M-346, which has the basic design of hte Yak-130, in the USAF, as the firm is expected to bid on the successor to the A-10- whenever that happens.
Posted by: oofda | 10 May 2014 at 12:42 PM
Perhaps in time you can tell us a bit about what DID happen. . . .
Posted by: Charles I | 10 May 2014 at 12:47 PM
Fred
That's what Jubal Early said about cavalry. He said that anybody who could get on a horse and ride away from a fight his infantry was in was just a------s. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 10 May 2014 at 01:06 PM
Charles I
If you like. When I was DATT in North Yemen the northern end of the country was not really under government control. There was a big shooting war going on between the gov. and the wily National Democratic Front Guerrillas run out of the PDRY and supported by the Soviets. These guerrillas were mostly Sunnis. I spent a lot of time covering that war accompanying the YAR 8th Commando Brigade and their USSR advisers. The Sovs supported both sides in that war. But north of Sanaa the population were pretty much all Zeidi Shia tribesmen of the Baqil abd Hashid confederations. They were just about as heavily armed as the government and many had served in the army before defecting to back home with their equipment, I used to go up there to buy odd weapons in the weapons suq in one of the towns. North of the Zaidi tribesmen were another Arab tribe, this one semi-nomad. They were and are called the "Banu Yam." North of them was the border with S. Arabia and north of them was the Wadi (valley) Najran filled with a lot of Sunni Yemeni (more or less) villagers who are the people the Saudis keep crapping on with their Beduin National Guard troops from the Najd. I crossed the border a few times with yam guides to talk to villagers and see how far the Saudi had moved the border markers since the last time I had been there. This was a Saudi game they like to play. The stones moved steadily southward. How did I get away with this? Hey! I'm a charming guy in an Arab rural context. Abdullah al Shami my driver and I always brought a lot of nice presents bought with ICF (ask TTG) and neither he nor I would hesitate to shoot you if you looked like you needed it. I did the same thing in the opposite direction when I was DATT in Jiddah. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 10 May 2014 at 01:24 PM
Off topic:
Some might be interested in reading analysis of Russian ideas re Ukraine at
Conflict Forum Weekly Comment 25
Published May 5, 2014
I believe the author is A. Cook?? of UK MI6 [ret]
Posted by: Norbert M Salamon | 10 May 2014 at 03:57 PM
Thank you sir. Respect and generosity get you a long way in this world, charming as you may be.
I recall reading accounts of similar activity on the Durrand Line.
One with my limited knowledge is imaging that if the shite has come home to the Saudi roost, is it a country that could withstand a really savage campaign, is the SNG for instance, an institution that can keep a country together? Could the economy stand an expat flight?
Posted by: Charles I | 10 May 2014 at 05:05 PM
Charles I
Everyone has waited for the collapse of the House of Saud for as long as I have been in the business. Don't hold your breath while waiting. Everyone in the country is co-opted or intimidated and the secret police act with impunity. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 10 May 2014 at 05:15 PM
Thanks for that.
Posted by: Castellio | 10 May 2014 at 07:19 PM
Col, Lee's "Bad Old Man" had a point.
Posted by: Fred | 10 May 2014 at 09:28 PM
Col Lang
I did the google on DATT & did not find that acronym.
May I ask what is a DATT ?
Posted by: Alba Etie | 11 May 2014 at 12:51 AM
AE
"Defense Attache." The senior military officer in a US Embassy. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 11 May 2014 at 12:54 AM
All
"Jeff" continued to be nastily combative in yet more material and I have dispensed with him. pl
Posted by: turcopolier | 11 May 2014 at 12:55 AM
Col Lang
Thank you .
Posted by: Alba Etie | 11 May 2014 at 01:22 AM