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jonst

I gotta disagree with you on this one Col. The massive ego is there and has impact. No doubt. And it greases the skids that allows this to possibly happen in the first place....but he has know, suspect at least, he is going to get nothing. This is about 2016 and Hillary. And Florida. And money. We're moving on to the set.

FB Ali

If this shameful act is to take place, a saving grace might be the resulting release of Marwan Barghouti. He can play a great role in the future as a leader of the Palestinians.

Margaret Steinfels

Game over:
"But not only has Kerry failed to secure his limited goals, the prospect of Pollard’s release may have actually contributed to the breakdown of his efforts on Tuesday. When the Palestinians compared the pittance they were receiving, in their view, to the plum Pollard prize that Kerry was bestowing on Prime Minister Netanyahu, they decided to walk away in a huff. If Bibi gets Pollard, they told Kerry, we will look like fools if we don’t demand something just as big, like jailed Palestinian activist Marwan Barghouti."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.583296

samuelburke

That is an excellent idea, an honorable Nation could send a memorable message.

MRW

You forgot to mention that he should be horizontal. In a box.

fanto

doug, psychologists have found out that if someone wants to convey an opinion to a group of people, and wants that opinion to be accepted as true, one must present it as a kind of mix in certain proportion, say 3 to 1 or 4 to 1, never make it 100% in one way... I read it sometime long ago so I do not have a reference for that; that is why some people at Commentary may use that ruse. there is no 'divide' imho.

Highlander

Were Pollard's handlers actually known to US Intelligence?

If so, why weren't they prosecuted?

Will Reks

Fred, the actual perception of Snowden is quite mixed on the left. Some, similar to many civil libertarians in the Glenn Greenwald mold, think of him as a hero. Obama has been overtly hostile, and not at all silent, in regards to Snowden and thus there are many of his devotees who are hostile to him as well.

Yours In Peace....R.L.Kirtley

All....I Read Tonight On A Jewish Site(Totpi.com) That Housing Minister Uri Ariel Said On Army Radio That People Close To Pollard Have Told Him That Pollard Opposes Being Freed In Exchange For Palestinian Prisoners, That Pollard Opposes "Such A Shameful Deal." Ariel Too Said That He Is Against "The Release Of Murderers For Pollard."....I Guess That They Want Us To Beg Them To Take Him Back And Of Course Without ANY Compensation!!!!!

Will Reks

tv

If you had been been paying attention this last week as the GOP candidates for 2016 lined up to pay obeisance to Sheldon Adelson you would have realized that there's not much difference between the parties here.

turcopolier

highlander

Pollard's Israeli handlers were not known until after he was arrested at the embassy. in the investigation that followed their identity became clear but they had fled the country. pl

rjj

I noticed that and called it the t*rd in the truffle box.

rjj

Are the Israelis relaxed about that sort of thing - agents getting exposed somehow in the course of an investigation?

jerseycityjoan

That was not me talking. That was part of the quote from the Wall St. Journal. I'll repeat it below without the link so it doesn't go six inches to the right of the margin:

"The statement by White House press secretary Jay Carney threw a damper on 24 hours of negotiations between Messrs. Kerry and Netanyahu in which the U.S. brought a surprise offer to release the agent from his life sentence.

Two officials familiar with the negotiations said that under the arrangement Mr. Pollard, who was convicted of espionage in 1985, was to be released in mid-April "before Passover." The move was to free the former Navy intelligence officer after decades behind bars.

In return, Israel would go ahead with the prisoner release, whose delay was becoming a stumbling block. Israel also agreed to release another group of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners at its own discretion in the future, the officials said."

Your comment made me wonder if this was a mistake by the WSJ writers or their sources, or if it was deliberate misstatement that got repeated. For one thing, if Pollard had been an officer, wouldn't he have been in a military prison?

I can certainly understand your annoyance. I am relieved to hear you say though that no such "worm" could ever have received a commission.

robt willmann

highlander

I read that one of Pollard's main handlers was Rafi Eitan. I do not know if he was allowed into the U.S. before or after Pollard was arrested.

Will

"this Lilliputian tribalist state?" that has some 200 deliverable nukes. triad- bombers, missiles, and subs and due to Monseiur Pollard- targeting information on most of Europe. thnx to deGaulle and LBJ and our tax dollars.

turcopolier

will

You greatly exaggerate Israel's military power. It has no power projection capability unless they choose t use their nuclear force. this seems unlikely. It is a deterrent. The material that Pollard extracted from ONI files was concerned with the ME and with the USSR and China and subjects of interest to those two countries. As I have said before it is clear that the Israelis wanted this material as trae goods for exchanges with the USSR. Let's not exaggerate. pl

turcopolier

Pete Deer

I have said repeatedly that this was the goal of Israel and so have many others. Do you think that excuses his espionage against the US? BTW, the Zionists want to create the impression that Pollard was merely a mercenary doing "piece work" for Israel. That was not the case. He was in effect a full time employee of Israeli intelligence whose motivation was essentially Zionist. He took money from them because it is a "rule" of the espionage game that the agency running the operation always seeks to have its assets take money on a regular basis to establish and employer-employee relationship that makes it easier to control the asset. this extends to signing secret contracts, escrow accounts, resettlement agreements and all the appurtenances of employment. In Pollard's case the man has become a Zionist hero. Keep that in mind. pl

Florent

actually De Gaulle is the one who put an end to French support to Israel.
the nuclear deal had been done before him and to a certain extent persisted for a while despite him wanted to stop it all immediately.

robt willmann

A comment above that mentioned National Public Radio (NPR) brought back to mind something I heard on the radio some years ago about Pollard while driving, and I drove up to the restaurant I was going to, sat in the parking lot, and listened to the whole thing. It was on the Diane Rhem interview show on NPR.

It turns out the program was in 1999 (time does fly by fast) and her guests were Seymour Hersh, Vincent Canistraro (formerly of the CIA), Angelo Codevilla of Boston University, and Kenneth Lasson of the University of Baltimore. My impression at the time was, and still is, that the program was a clever propaganda piece to try to help Pollard. It came on at the same time as Hersh had an article in the New Yorker magazine about Pollard. You can listen to the radio program, which is 49 minutes long, here--

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/1999-01-14/jonathan-pollard-case

The New Yorker magazine article is archived here, and you have to turn on "cookies" in your web browser to get it to display; it is a scan of the pages and you click on the arrows at the side to go forward and back--

http://archives.newyorker.com/?i=1999-01-18#folio=026

I am not a fan of Hersh, and when reading his writings carefully, they do not seem all that great. They sometimes have the feel of a modified limited hangout. A writer I know says Hersh helps the Israeli government. In any event, the article is there in full.

The transcript of the recent talk by M.E. "Spike" Bowman, the video of which was noted above by rjj, is found here (Bowman was the main writer of the sentencing affidavit against Pollard)--

http://www.natsummit.org/transcripts/spike_bowman.htm

Charles Dekle

Col Lang,
Bravo! Well said.
Regards,

robt willmann

Also, here is an article written by M.E. Bowman about Pollard published in 2011 in the journal of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, and is in the pdf computer file format--

http://www.afio.com/publications/bowman_on_pollard_in_winterspring_2011_intelgr.pdf

Tyler

There are a nontrivial number of Jews who believe the Rosenbergs were either framed and damn VERONA as anti semitism, or that their intentions were good and they were persecuted because of anti semitism. The idea that Pollard did nothing wrong is likely an article of faith over there.

Cannot say this act comes as a surprise from a people that simultaneously play the victim card and make a virtue out of chutzpah at every opportunity.

LeaNder

Thanks, David, wonderful story. Yes indirectly he is some kind of counterpoint to Pollard. From the Nazi perspective he surely would have been a "traitor to the Fatherland(/Vaterlandsverräter) too. ;)

Yes, maybe that was him. You mentioned two fathers I think. And yes, I had this vague memory of medieval German history too. I have to check. One of the books I found interesting at the time, but it wasn't in medieval history. As far as I remember it was published in the 70s. I'll check.

take care, be well.

LeaNder

I see that Martin Indyk is behind this. pl

Hmm, I wondered who "the experts" around Kerry are Because it is quite remarkable to what extend earlier agreements seem to be forgotten:

"Israel would go ahead with the final tranche of prisoner releases promised when the negotiations began. Chief U.S. negotiator Martin Indyk argued that Pollard’s long-sought release would serve as a sweetener for the Israelis, helping Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hold his fractious political coalition together, according to two people familiar with the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity about the sensitive diplomacy."

Well that is of course one of the worst.

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