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10 March 2014


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Babak Makkinejad

One would wish that EU leaders would resist the hare-brained ideas coming out of US as well....


I see a kinder, gentler scenario whereby the US slowly comes to the realization that the world has moved on from America's post-WW II supremacy. I see the burgeoning MAD buildup between China and the US as a positive development, keeping the military and industrialists happy, while easing Americans into the grudging respect for the Chinese that we gave the Russians by the end of the Seventies.

I read an interesting Bob Kagan article predicting tri-polar hegemony shared among the US, Russia, and China. Even now, I have the sense of Putin and Obama working in tandem. Obama seems to do his best to thwart the Neocons at every turn.



In perhaps not-so-unrelated news, we are hearing more claims that the Lockerbie bombing was ordered by Iran rather than Lybia:



Not sure what to make of it.



What do you consider Iran to be?


"SA is a police state in which generalized surveillance is norm. it is an awful place."

Sounds like an ideal target for a color revolution. Where are the calls for "freedom and democracy" from Neocons and appeals to save women, children, Jews and gays from the R2P crowd?

Ah yes, the Saudi Royal family is just part of the bigger family--the international community. Freedom and democracy and human rights are inoperative.



Unfortunately, I don't think there is much chance of a revolution in SA. The regime has co-opted just about everyone with potential for that and they jail the rest if they show any sign of resistance. you might get a revolution from the religious right who feel correctly that the Sauds are sinners and corrupt. pl

Babak Makkinejad

Iran is the country of the Shia, for the Shia by the Shia based on the 2 major ethno-linguistic groups: Azeri Turks and Persians - together with a number of other minor groups.

Babak Makkinejad

Even if you had revolution there it only would make things worse; almost certainly a repeat of Libya or Somalia.


Using the term "heterogeneous" I dont really think is accurate. Not to the 15-20% of Shi'a who live in the country. They are not religious heterogeneous. I know that the extreme Salafi of the country dont see them as Muslim, and they certainly are second class citizens in their own country based on nothing more than they are Shi'a. They have committed mass murder and massive repression against the Shia of their country, so the nation itself is anything but religiously heterogeneous.


And strengthen Iran's position.

The beaver


Now that Gadhaffi is pushing daisies 6 ft below, there is a need for another scapegoat since nothing else is working to "net' Iran.
Iran has just announced that Canadian and British citizens should join a group should they intend to visit Iran as a tourist. No more independent tourist visa will be issued to passport holders of these two countries.
Had there been some CDN or British spooks working under cover for the west?
For Canada I can understand after the fiasco of the foreign policy of Steven Harper and his bully FM. However, the British citizens , I am surprised.

Babak Makkinejad

I used the word heterogeneous inclusive of the other Muslim schools of Jurisprudence ("madhab") that exist in that country and not just for the Shia.

And there is no "nation" in Saudi Arabia, just as it does not exist in Pakistan or in Afghanistan or India or Burma or Thailand or Malaysia or Indonesia.

The usage of that word, "nation", in reference to these states only serves to obfuscate the reality on the ground.

Only in the Far East of the Eurasian landmass and the Far West of it you can usefully employ the category of "nation".

For everything else in between, that just makes things worse; for the native leaders who want to forge a nation - like the Europeans - and for the Western people - like our own WRC - who are perennially in search of a nation.

Babak Makkinejad

Yes, too good to be true...


I too wondered why the Islamic Front wasn't mentioned in that article.



So far as I know, no Sunni Mathahib other than the Hanbali are tolerated in SA. pl

William R. Cumming

Thanks The Beaver!

William R. Cumming

Thanks Babak I needed that!


I am with PL on this one. An extreme version of the Hanbali madhab, also known as Salafiya, is the only brand of Islam allowed in Saudi. Shi'a and Sufi texts and documents are banned and in the case of some Shi'a documents and texts, will land you in jail. There is not one Shi'a member of the upper establishment despite comprising some 15-20% of the Saudi population. Saudi society is not religiously heterogeneous for anyone except those that follow the Salafi brand of Islam.

Babak Makkinejad

Yes "tolerated" is the operative word here.

What I have been told is that there is very little mutual social trust in Saudi Arabia.

Perhaps a good metric for social/political/national cohesion in any country is the amount of internal tourism in that country; of which there is little in Saudi Arabia.

Charles I

But its not our awful place. Be careful what you wish for.


Charles I

You should know me well enough to sense that I want nothing in connection with SA. pl


Oh yes. Neocon equivalents we have also.

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