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11 February 2014

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walrus

Well said Col. Lang.

Medicine Man

Col.: I agree whole-heartedly. European history is full of defeats they survived and victories they won. I've read that between 1914 and 1919 one third of their men of military age had been killed. It is infuriating that so many on this side of the pond can't grasp what that means.

John Minnerath

Yes, I cringe when I hear deprecating remarks made against the French.
They've supported us through bad times and good.
Always have and most likely always will.

A nephew plays professional basketball for Saint Thomas of Le Havre and our family has deep roots in Normandy and Lorraine.

Hank Foresman

The French are good soldiers. Most Americans are ignorant of the sacrifices of the French soldiers on the battlefields of World War I.
We some how expect our Allies to be pliant little followers, who do as we say, and not question us.
The French, believe that friendship involves telling a friend what they are doing is stupid. They did so in the case of Iraq, they were right, we were wrong. Unfortunately we can never admit we were wrong; and we will continue to proudly call french fries "freedom fries" because we are ignorant of history.

The beaver

Colonel

Unfortunately the rah rah crowd both on the Hill and on the airwaves don't want to know. Even when one mentions Rochambeau, you will be asked "What" instead of "who" and the word Yorktown does not mean much to some.
The sad thing I heard couple of days ago: "why do they have to make announcement in French first at the Olympics?"

The Twisted Genius

A true friend will warn you when you are about to make a complete ass of yourself. That's what France did when we foolishly decided to invade Iraq. Our reaction was freedom fries and a disastrous war. Well, we're all sinners. Anyone with half a brain and a shred of honor has moved beyond this and realized that the American-French relationship is more special than the American-British one. I've worked with the French army and the FFL. I would proudly do so again. Here's another link in homage to our French brethren.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMnDyJZ2ygw

scott s.

Col: "We have never been at war with France", unless one considers the Quasi-War, which resulted in the creation of the Dept of the Navy and US Marine Corps.

9 Feb 1799 The 36 gun frigate USS Constellation, Thomas Truxton commanding, engages and defeats the French 40 gun frigate L'Insurgente thus marking the first victory at sea for the USN. Something Sailors at least recognize.

William R. Cumming

If you have not visited Monticello for a long time it is vastly improved under its professional curators! I believe I am correct that annually is the most visited house in America. The house faces west.

Poplar Forest, another Jefferson house near Lynchburg, has also had substantial restoration in the last two decades.

turcopolier

ScottS

I yield you the point. pl

Watcher

I was able to visit the US Cemetery in Normandy in March of '12. As I was walking through it, I watched an a elderly French lady walking amongst the grave stones, laying a red rose at each one. A simple gesture, yet heavy with meaning.

Fred

Scott S.

True, not too many remember the Constellation.

If you are a revolutionary war buff here's some war for independence history about the various state navies, ships, captains and their successes.


http://www.awiatsea.com/

Peter C

All the above rings true and not to mention the large sums lent by the French during the Revolutionary War.

turcopolier

watcher

Years ago the US resident guardian of the Aisne-Marne cemetery told me that his funds never sufficed for repairs and that he had a list of French contractors and builders who did his repair work gratis, literally. He also told me that the Wehrmacht guarded both his cemetery and their own just down the road while they occupied France. pl

The beaver

Colonel

OT: A couple of the R2P moms and the AS at State "F--- the EU" were present at the state dinner last night.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/state-dinner-guest-list-white-house-103397.html

turcopolier

beaver

The BHO administration is still in thrall to the R2P crowd. I note that the IDF DMI has changed its estimate on Syria to project a long war. Was Beyoncé at the dinner? pl

CK

A nice list of wallets.

Anon1

I had a chance to visit the Aisne-Marne cemetery in the late 80s. A very beautiful place, but they have so few visitors.

The beaver

Colonel

It does not look like it. The Mrs chose another singer for the evening :-)

Oofda

I was going to add that..but yes, the French have been a loyal ally. And this year, being the centenial anniversary year of the beginning of World War I/The Great War, is a reminder of the enormous losses the French sustained. As you noted, Verdun, as well as the Battle of the Marne and others show the courage of the French soldier. The idiots with their "Freedom Fries" and snide remarks about things French are to be ignored and disdained.

Oofda

And if you are going to visit Monticello, remember that Ash Lawn is just next door- Jefferson cut a swath through the forest and was able to signal Monroe with candles and mirrors to have conversations.

Alba Etie

Walrus
I read the wiki regarding Bir Hakeim - it looks like the Free French saved the UN 's collective bacon in that holding action . We do have a storied history of mutual investment with blood & treasure with France.

confusedponderer

I am glad to read of such things mentioned every now and then.

They should be known more.

As many Rhinelanders did, my grandfather served in France near Lannilis, Brittany, as an NCO in what must have been a clerk funktion. A French lawyer, at a time when the Boche weren't exactly popuilar in France, at the end of the war, asked him to stay, and bring his family. He didn't. I read out of that that he served honourably.

Last week I read on YNET a story of some moron US starlet, tracing her family tree and being reduced to tears upon learning that her Grandfather, mother's side, served in the Wehrmacht during WW-II.

Oh really? A male, military age German serving in the Wehrmacht during WW-II? How extraordinary.

So what? Both of my grandfathers did. And a number of uncles. And a couple million other Germans of their generation. That's because they had conscription then.

"My German grandma definitely spoke about her life during the war way more than my grandfather did"

So what? My dad never spoke about the war. Never. On their trek west, they passed through Dresden about a week after the bombing. There would have been things to tell.

All it means is that it is a closed chapter.

BS stories like that always make me cringe.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4415422,00.html

harry

If one studies french military history, its immediately clear that a shortage of valour was never a problem. Their problem tended to be an excess of valour and a lack of immagination.

turcopolier

harry

Profoundly true. A good example would be the French government decision to force General Cogny to seek decisive engagement at Dien Bien Phu. Any sort of examination of time/distance factors for support and supply should have indicated that against the enemy that the Viet Minh had become this was a bad plan. Cogny knew that at the time but was told by Navarre and Paris to shut up and get on with it. pl

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