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02 February 2014

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GulfCoastPirate

Colonel,

How do you think the nationalist Zionists see themselves and Israel 20 years down the road? What's their end game?

walrus

At some stage soon, in my opinion, the Israeli Government is going to get labelled as inflicting their own version of the Holocaust on Palestinians, and it is going to stick.

Bear in mind that the Endlosung was preceded by at least Seven years of systematic theft, robbery, discrimination and exclusion of German jews. Why would we not say then that only one thing remains - the gas chambers, a Palestinian Endlosung, that differentiates Israeli behaviour from their prior persecutors?

What then happens to the diaspora when asked by western democratic gentiles for their opinion?

http://www.nkusa.org/

oth

Am sure Bill Kristol will have something to say about it next week at his new gig at the liberal ABC News.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/02/bill-kristol-joins-abc-news-182527.html

confusedponderer

Colonel Clearly, the only conceivable motivation for any criticism of Israel is malice!

The one thing that makes the snarling hatred for anything goy even more galling is the absurd sense of perpetual victimhood in Israel. This picture captures it perfectly:

http://richards10.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/mysh-a-problem-of-self-image.jpg

Half a century ago, the Nazis massacred millions of Jews. That was horrible. Israel uses that crime committed against these people as a blanket justification for all their own excesses.

Nakhba? If it happened, it was necessary, because - holocaust. Rinse, repeat.

Jabotinski's Iron Wall Zionism precedes the Holocaust. He wrote The Iron Wall (We and the Arabs) in 1923.

Some of Israel's apologists ses in the Holocaust an ex-post justification for Jabotinski's Zionism - a blanc cheque to take from the Palestinains what they can get away with, conscious that in face of such blatant injustice, there could be no accomodation with the Palestinians, and that the only means to retain these gains would be coercion.

Jabotinsky was quite prescient in 1923, and thankfully, under no illusions about what he was actually advocating - colonisation and expropriation:

"Every native population, civilised or not, regards its lands as its national home, of which it is the sole master, and it wants to retain that mastery always; it will refuse to admit not only new masters but, even new partners or collaborators
...
This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can eceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages.
...
That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel."
...
We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached.
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Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population - behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach."

And behind that protective wall, live not only Palestinians but the Goy, neither of whom can be trusted.

What Jabotinsky described 90 years ago looks a lot like Israel today.

The absurdity here is that Jabotinsky, to escape the confines of the Ghetto, went to Israel - to build himself a larger one.

JohnH

GulfCoast-- I don't think they have an endgame. They just hope that the Palestinians will someday magically disappear into thin air.

Of course, they haven't thought this through. What would become of their holocaust theology if Palestinians were not there to remind them of their victimhood ever day? Could Zionism survive the disappearance of Palestinians?

turcopolier

GCP

I think they believe they can play this game forever. pl

Andrew

CP said, "The absurdity here is that Jabotinsky, to escape the confines of the Ghetto, went to Israel - to build himself a larger one". My two cents is maybe the Ghetto was always "self constructed" on a foundation of "Goy hatred" rather than...-cue violins.

Babak Makkinejad

Islamic Tradition holds that one mosque at the Temple Mont is the site of the Prophets ascension to Heaven during his Night Journey and the other the site of a prayer assembly of all the prophets lead by the Prophet during the same Night Journey.

I know that people and leaders in US and EU do not care one whit about this and will continue do what they have been doing for this semi-religion of Shoah.

But the Muslim belief and sentiment regarding those two mosques will never go away and Arabs or Palestinians or Jordanians cannot sign those sites away.

Now, as I established before, EU does not care about Arabs, their predicaments or their sentiments.

But I would suggest that EU may wish to reconsider a position that puts the European states at odds with hundreds of millions of other people on this planet.

The world is not inhabited solely by European and East Asian atheists acting like economic animals who are waiting for the next gadget to come out of the sorcerer's shops.


Babak Makkinejad

And I think they can; they have US in their back-pocket (as it were) and they can always get something out of EU.

Matthew

Col: Why not?

See http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/framework-according-friedman.html

I love how the the framework will ask Palestinians refugees to give up the right to return, but Jewish immigrants/refugees from Arab countries would be "compensated."

Our AIPAC-riddled "good-faith" broker team never misses an opportunity to drop a wet sh*t on the weaker party.

Alba Etie

Col Lang
I see Secretary of State Kerry's remark as evidence of the Likud /AIPAC 's erosion of its power over our Comity . I may wish to be unnecessarily optimistic about a shift in our stance on being the enforcer of Israeli will over Palestine . We shall see. (I wonder if an Israeli Botha will ever emerge ? ).

Edward Amame

Yes indeed Israel could face international isolation if negotiations fail, except that the US won't be part of any boycott, thanks to Congress. That's what is "unfair" and "intolerable."

Tyler

Finklestein: "There ain't no business like shoah business."

Anna-Marina

The Israeli Politburo in action:
"N.Y. Senate passes bill penalizing schools for boycotting Israel": http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/1.571667?trailingPath=2.169%2C2.216%2C2.217%2C

Senator Jeffrey Klein needs some education on ethics and International Law:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.571849

Laura Wilson

I have always thought that the whole thing could end quite quickly if all Palestinians (Christians, Muslims, etc.) under occupation would simply put a Star of David armband on and start going about their daily business.

(Alerting the news sources first, of course.) I don't think Israel could handle the pressure or the visuals at all well.

Peaceful, in-your-face civil protest with cameras.

The beaver

Colonel

Heard this on a French station whilst I was driving home. Just did a search on-line:
Kerry threatened Abu Mazem:
"Palestinian media reports Kerry told PA president that he would meet the same fate as former president Arafat if he did not accept US peace proposals"
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Fatah-wants-Kerry-prosecuted-before-ICC-for-threatening-Abbas-340127

Guess Obama's deadline for an April deal must weigh hard on the "diplomat" shoulders.

Makes one wonder about his dealings with Morsi when , together with his hedge fund friend, he tried to pressure Morsi to accept IMF funding

The beaver

Matthew,

And anyone around the world, even those who don't even have ancestors in Palestine, who can prove that he has some Jewish blood in his vein can make Aliyah and become an Israeli.

Bandolero

confusedponderer

One addendum:

Vladimir Jabotinsky died in New York before Israel was created. However, he had a young and aspiring secretary who worked hard to make Jabotinsky's vision come true: Benzion Netanyahu, the father of Bibi Netanyahu.

Lars Moller-Rasmussen

Col. Lang,

I think so, too, and Uri Avnery, an Israeli who has worked for peace with the Palestinians since the nineteen-sixties, has pointed out that this belief is at least partly rooted in the history of Zionism and the state of Israel.

As Avnery said in the book he wrote just after the 1967 war, every one of its successive partnerships with great powers (imperial Germany, imperial Britain, the USSR, France and the U.S.) has left Israel stronger whereas its partners have mostly ended up weaker, for various reasons. The U.S. is the obvious exception. The USSR is perhaps a partial exception as it was quite strong for another couple of decades after Stalin's nursing of the new-born state of Israel.

Anyway, Israel's ability to leverage its own power through partnerships with great powers has been remarkable. Another amazing feature is how it has managed to maintain its unique relationship with the U.S. since 1967 in spite of the deep changes that have occurred in the U.S. (politically and demographically), in Israel (ditto and ditto) and in its Arab neighbours.

confusedponderer

"I don't think they have an endgame"

To the likes of Bibi, kicking the can down the road while improving their own position - be it by creating 'facts on the ground' or by expanding their already existing military superiority, is proven strategy.

In fact, to them it is probably tantamount to a policy, just like Iran's theoretical capability to build a nuke based on their existing know how is tantamount to them having already build and tested one.

ex-PFC Chuck

That's an awesome idea!

Yours Truly

John,

IMHO, this "holocaust mentality" & "Wailing Wall self-pity" may be what's preventing Jewish hoi polloi from being able to live with the rest of the world.

They are unable to look forward to a Future that truly benefits them.

Guess these age-old antagonisms/hatreds & settling of scores may be what prevents the whole cursed region from enjoying "Peace"...

GulfCoastPirate

JohnH - I don't see how Zionism survives no matter what happens to the Palestinians. At some point the rest of the world is going to pull the plug on their nonsense.

GulfCoastPirate

Babak Makkinejad - so when are the rest of the Arabs going to do something to help the Palestinians? The Jordanians, for one, are getting paid off by the US. Won't they end up doing what they are told?

GulfCoastPirate

Colonel,

Thanks. That's what I was afraid you were going to say.

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