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20 February 2014

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Petrous

Beautifully put.
Often times it feels as if different capitals in the ME & NE take turn dictating policy to us. Making use of our manpower & economic power to achieve ends that are desirable for them but often times not so much for us ; or even the great majority of the local population.

johnf

Any reaction to the return of Robert Malley, colonel?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/19/world/middleeast/aides-return-to-white-house-shows-changing-us-role-in-mideast.html?_r=0

Tyler

Sir,

Well now that you've called out Obama, I'm curious to see the fanciful spin his adherents here will put on the situation and how its Bush's fault or the Tea Party's fault or someone but the President's decision.

Fred

Col.

"I always made it clear that I was their American friend, and not a supplicant for anything."

BHO for all of his proclamaition of being 'commander in chief' of the world's only super-power is acting as a supplicant and not an American president. Why isn't the King of Suadi Arabia coming to America? Aren't we the super power?

David Habakkuk

Colonel Lang,

Do you seriously think that Scots have a high-minded attitude to money from the likes of the Saudis?

Perhaps you think that Gordon Brown is English? Or that Blair and Cameron are English names?

As to Prince Charles, he was of course very close to his grandmother, who was the daugher of the 14th Earl of Strathmore. But then, the political allegiances of the Anglo-Scottish nobility are a complex matter.

turcopolier

David Habakkuk

No, I don't think the Scots are more virtuous than the English. I thought the picture was wondrously absurd. As you know I have both English and Scots ancestors and certainly am not a Scottish partisan. I have enough to worry about over here in dealing with the lunatics who run our government. BTW, your wife raises an interesting point concerning the Westminster parliament. Sorry to have annoyed you. I am removing the line about the Scots. pl

David Habakkuk

Colonel Lang,

You didn't annoy me at all. I just couldn't resist the comeback.

There are however -- as often with many ethnic disputes -- complexities which are sometimes not registered in the U.S.

The question of the right of Scots MPs to vote on English issues which in Scotland are the preserve of the Scots parliament is one.

Another relates to education.

The 'au pair' who helped my mother when I was a small boy, in the early Fifties, was German. She married our lodger, who was a theology student from the Sudentenland, and became a bishop in the Old Catholic Church. The family link has stuck, over the years. Her grandson is coming from Vienna to study at a Scottish university, where as an EU citizen he will not be charged fees.

Anyone from England, however, will have to pay the same fees to attend a Scottish university that they would pay to attend an English one. I am very happy that Ilse's grandson wants to come to study in the U.K., but the fact that subsidies no longer available in England are still available in Scotland, and are made available to everyone in the EU other than the English, does cause resentment.

the Unready

Col,

"They want this because they think they can pick the winners among the Sunni contestants for power. They are wrong"

on that note, what is going on here? General deposed then re-imposed...but who is backing the factions?

http://eaworldview.com/2014/02/syria-daily-oppositions-military-splits-politicians/

turcopolier

the Unready

Syria is now a seething, boiling cauldron of factions, militias, sects, etc. Various factions have a wide variety of sponsors. I have not seen a recent "score card" on sponsor identities., pl

nick b

Tyler,

Why bother? I voted for him twice. I agree with the Colonel.

William R. Cumming

Before any US President goes to Saudi Arabia IMO the SAUDI veto on the un-redaction of many pages of the 9/11 Commission Report that concerns the Saudi origin of many of the perpetrators should be ignored!
IMO those pages reveal the Saudi Royal family had members who knew of the plot and supported it financially!

JohnH

Yes, Obama's title should be "Groveler in Chief." That's been his style all along--going along to get along, punctuated by the occasional high minded speech, followed by a resounding lack of followup.

Now he is groveling before the Saudis. Next weekend he'll probably grovel before Israel at the annual AIPAC conference. And that's not to mention groveling before Clapper, Wall Street, oil companies, and the defense industry.

And people wonder why the "most powerful nation in the world" can't come up with a coherent strategy?

Rd.

Tyler said...

“ how its Bush's fault or the Tea Party's fault or someone but the President's decision. “

you can review bushes 'faults' if you will for yourself.. it is in the nature of the house to house 'diseased' relations. That is the white house and the house of saud.


Bush in Saudi Arabia to beg king to help end oil crisis as prices hit $125 a barrel

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-566827/Bush-Saudi-Arabia-beg-king-help-end-oil-crisis-prices-hit-125-barrel.html#ixzz2ttxIUqMG


Hand in hand for oil
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2005/04/the_idealist_in_the_bluebonnets.html


and to top it off.. you need to see GW steps in a sword dance!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUoycVXw9ew

Tyler

I meant more the laughable attempts of Obama's many adherents here to pretend that there's any daylight between Bush II and Obama.

Jack

All

Is this how empire ends? When money and personal interests of political leaders trump national interest.

Fred

No daylight on the pro bankster front either:
http://boingboing.net/2014/02/20/obamas-top-trans-pacific-par.html

Medicine Man

I don't know that there are many Obama adherents here. For my own part, I would say the main difference between Obama and Bush II is not one of nature but of magnitude. So far his blunders have not produced the sheer waste that his predecessor's did, though there are certainly many opportunities for him to make up the difference. In the future I think he's more likely to be viewed as this century's Herbert Hoover than Bush III but opinions vary.

Alba Etie

Tyler
To paraphrase Kerensky the difference between cat sh-t & dog sh-t ...at least on misbegotten military adventures overseas .

William R. Cumming

MM! Agree!

Rd.

Medicine Man said in reply to Tyler...
“I don't know that there are many Obama adherents here. For my own part, I would say the main difference between Obama and Bush II is “


MM,

it is not about the individuals. nowadays, unfortunately, there are no 'differences' between the two parties, EXCEPT the rhetoric.!!!

Regrettably, in a consumer society, the rhetoric, always, always, sells!!

If ANYONE has any doubts on that, you can wait for the next 4 years and regardless of who or what party in on, the mess would continue to get even worse... EXCEPT, the shinny house on the top of the hill will be marketed as even shinier than ever before..

Unless and until 'We the people, by the people, and for the people' grow their proverbial (you know what) and standup for their rights and the constitution, the big corp disease will continue to mass slave the population and their 'elected' representatives just as Jackson once foresaw.

William Fitzgerald

Pat Lang,

The President may grovel, but will not be able to better the "groveling score" of his speech concerning Palestine and Israel at the UN in '11. That was a world class performance. However, style points may be awarded on the basis of groveling before a "royal" who's basically the 3d or 4th generation removed from a desert sheik who was in the right place at the right time.

Perhaps, on the other hand, he won't grovel.

WPFIII

Tyler

Oh they pop out of the woodwork from time to time, and then we Do Battle.

Tyler

I'm only going to be happy if someone attempts to restore some sort of Originalist doctrine of government instead of the usual "me me me me" power grab.

turcopolier

WF

"Perhaps, on the other hand, he won't grovel" Make up your mind. Which is it? pl

Fred

MM,

I voted for the man twice. I will not disagree about the blunders, it is his complicit conduct in not prosecuting any financial industry executives or corporations and other continuations of the Bush administration’s policies that have completely disillusioned me about the democratic party and its leadership, not just BHO.

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