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11 January 2014

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steve g

That is the $64K question. I have not read
anywhere in the MSM any update on this.
Supposedly up to 58 senators have signed on
but maybe more by now. With the passing of
Sharon and his enshrinement as a warrior/states-
man it will probably be buried even further.
How many members of Congress and the political
establishment attend his funeral? Flags lowered
to half staff/mast?

NancyK

I called my Senator, Kay Hagan, one of the 15 Democrats voting for increased sanctions against Iran and informed her I could not support her in the next election if she voted for increased sanctions and my husband, who has dual citizenship with Israel and was a lieutenant in the IDF will not be supporting her either. We both find it appalling that this group along with their Republican counterparts care more about appeasing AIPAC and Israel than what is best for the US.

b

- The just started negotiations will stop
- Russia and others will sign oil for stuff deals with Iran and over time make any U.S. sanctions completely irrelevant
- The P5+1 will accordingly fall apart
- Iran will continue its nuclear program, will continue to cooperate with the IAEA and will NOT work on nuclear weapons
- Iran will prosper
- Israel will press for war

Alba Etie

IMO if the Senate overrides a BHO veto of a bill that scuttles the Iranian agreement it will mean that AIPAC & other American Likud members are not as 'knocked back on their heels ' as we may have hoped. I do believe that its unlikely that a bill gets passed imposing new sanctions & less likely that such a bill would be veto proof in its support in the Senate . I say this because I also believe that the majority American voters understands that there are still elements in our Elite Structure that want to bomb Iran - and this is a non starter in this contemporary Comity .

tv

Do all the commenters here actually WANT a nuclear-armed Iran?

Norbert M Salamon

If the talks fail either due to Kerry, or due to AIPAC pressure the Sanctions will unravel - excluding USA sourced ones, and the USA will not be able to counteract any of such sanction negation by EU or anyone else.

Will Reks

Do the Mothers deserve any credit for progress with Iran?

I wish the Democrats were half as effective in defeating their useless old guard politicians in primaries as the Republicans have been in recent years.

Obama, as always, has been ineffective in selling a peace plan with Iran and countering the warmongers.

Bandolero

"What will happen ..."

Here is an idea what might be done: the local administration might lay border demarcations around capitol hill bearing the Israeli flag so people in future would know when they enter Israeli territory in Washington.

turcopolier

TV

No, but unlike you we mostly do not think that is a necessary result of an agreement with Iran? !- Do you like there being a nuclear armed Israel? 2- Do you like having the Likud and AIPAC control American policy? pl

tv

PL:
Do I like there being a nuclear armed Israel?
Don't care. They've had nuclear arms for what - 20,30 years?
Does Israel have a chokehold on the Persian Gulf?
When did Israel seize a US Embassy?
Have a national "Death to America" day?

AIPAC, Likud control of US policy?
I suspect that "control" comes more from American Jewish political contributions - to the Democrats, mainly.

confusedponderer

The premise of your question, that Iran does have a nuclear WEAPONS program, is very much in doubt, and not supported by the findings of the US intelligence community, and iirc not supported by Mossad also.

So what's your point?

r whitman

Rouhani is going to Davos to line up trade and barter deals with the Europeans later this month. Once that starts the sanctions are a dead issue regardless of what the US Congress does.

Rocketrepreneur

Maybe I'm naive, but this diplomatic approach, if the Iranians uphold their part of the bargain, seems like a clear win for the US, the people of Israel, and the people of Iran (though maybe not for idiotic hardliners any the respective governments). I can understand cracking down on Iran *if* they violate their part in the agreement, but prematurely torpedoing the negotiations by slapping sanctions on Iran when they're actually trying to behave better seems stupid, evil, and downright misanthropic. If enough of our Senators are bought to pass such a travesty, I hope that "b" is right and the EU, China, and Russia decide to tell the US to pound sand on sanctions.

~Jon

The Twisted Genius

The White House put out some strong words for those in Congress pushing for Iranian sanctions. In the words of NSC spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan, "If supporters want the United States to take military action, they should be up front with the American people and say so."

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-white-house-iran-nuclear-deal-20140110,0,1510706.story#ixzz2q991euGY

Obama, himself, ought to stand before the people and say these same words. He should also add that the U.S. has no intention to attack Iran unless Iran attacks us first or in accordance with an existing mutual defense treaty. He should then remind all that no such mutual defense treaty with Israel exists.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-white-house-iran-nuclear-deal-20140110,0,1510706.story#axzz2q940yqJ5

Full text of the NSC statement is here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/09/white-house-iran-war_n_4572003.html

If Congress manages to override a veto of these new sanctions, I would not be displeased if the administration did all it could legally do to undermine the whole international sanctions regime. If Israel wants to a bunch of "silly sods" and attack Iran,their on their own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHk2RSMCS8

Let's see if this makes the Sunday news cycle.

Walrus

The Jewish tragedy is always going a step too far....At what point might the FBI roll up AIPAC on charges of bribery?

Don Bacon

I agree. It will take the US out of the great game in the ME, and others will move in. Russia for sure, also the Asian giants, and perhaps even European countries -- Turkey, perhaps even France and Italy. The hardliners in Iran will say 'I told you so' and Iran will continue to do everything it is legally entitled to do under treaty.

Obama was forced into participation in this (essentially) UNSC/Iran negotiation. He predicted it probably wouldn't work. He was correct. There is no possibility of normal relations between US and Iran. As a result of the years of propagandizing, by Obama and others, Americans hate Iran and some happy talk out of Switzerland won't change that.

This would complicate matters for the US in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq, but the shallow thinkers in Washington haven't considered that.

Ulenspiegel

TV wrote: "Do all the commenters here actually WANT a nuclear-armed Iran?"

Iran works for years within a "legal" framework without violating any important rules.

If you want them to give up some of their rights you have to offer something, that is basic politics.

When the only outcast (Israel) in combination with its US lobby wants to prevent this or even wants to extort even more concessions from Iran then it is obvious that the real issue is not Iran.

Therfore, you should spend your energy for improving the situation in the US, but not for labelling Iran as a criminal, that sounds stupid.

The Virginian

A somewhat hypothetical question. Assuming there is a deal that halts (or delays indefinitely) the Iranian nuclear program, and over time the regime becomes less anti-American although it still pushes for hegemony in the gulf, does the SST readership see a better opportunity from a US national interest perspective in working with the Iranians or the Saudis, other GCC nations and lesser states such as Jordan? Is their any potential to play something along the lines of the old "Twin Pillars" approach that balanced the then Shah's Iran with the surrounding Sunni-majority (except Bahrain which is Shia majority) countries? And what type of engagement should it be, over the horizon, in theater, or CONUS based and let the chips fall where they may?

Alba Etie

Are you in favor of military action to thwart the Iranian from becoming nuclear armed ?

turcopolier

walrus

The US people would have to demand it in the same way that they told Congress that they would not accept an attack on Syria over the CW issue. pl

The Twisted Genius

Jeez, I ought to proofread before hitting send. "If Israel wants to be a bunch of silly sods, they're on their own." I'd like to add that there should also be an embargo on military aid to Israel if they choose that option.

The Twisted Genius

I think we should be reticent in picking sides, seek friendly commerce with all and let the chips fall where they may. Although I would still like to see a severe curtailment of Saudi money going to Salafist jihadist groups around the world.

The beaver

Wrt Europe
Forget France or Italy
Look at Germany - trading with Iran has increased since 2010 and after the announcement of last November, German businesses want trade to increase. The UK, realising how far ahead and successful Germany is in China does not want a redux and is keen to maintain talks with Iran- all the hope on Libya has been a dud as far as the Brits are concerned.

Don Bacon

The Arabs that live in the Middle East do care that Israel has nukes. According to polls, Arabs fear the US and Israel which have nukes, and not Iran which doesn't.

Arab countries, supported by Iran, have for years have been trying unsuccessfully to establish a Nuclear-Weapons-Free Zone in the Middle East. These attempts have been stopped by the US.

Nuclear-weapon-free zones have already been established in Latin America and the Caribbean, the South Pacific, Southeast Asia, Africa and Central Asia.

Don Bacon

It's necessary to read the "Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act of 2013" to understand how radical and terrible it is.

excerpts:
(1) The Government of Iran continues to expand the nuclear and missile programs of Iran in violation of multiple United Nations Security Council resolutions.
(2) The Government of Iran has a decades-long track record of violating commitments regarding the nuclear program of Iran and has used diplomatic negotiations as a subterfuge to advance its nuclear weapons program.
(3) Iran remains the world’s foremost state sponsor of terrorism, having directed, supported, and financed acts of terrorism against the United States and its allies that have resulted in the thousands of deaths, including the deaths of United States citizens and members of the Armed Forces of the United States. . .

The President may suspend the application of sanctions imposed under this Act or amendments made by this Act for a 180-day period . . .--Following the 180-day period described in paragraph (1), the President may renew a suspension of sanctions under that paragraph for 2 additional periods of not more than 30 days . . .

the President may suspend the application of sanctions imposed under this Act or amendments made by this Act for a one-year period if the President certifies to the appropriate congressional committees that the United States and its allies have reached a final and verifiable agreement or arrangement with Iran that will--
(A) dismantle Iran's illicit nuclear infrastructure, including enrichment and reprocessing capabilities and facilities, ...
http://tinyurl.com/k242ruv (pdf)

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