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10 November 2013


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William R. Cumming

The term catastrophic never appeared withorityth respect to federal authority for domestic emergency planning until a statute passed in 2006 and then with no real definition.

My short hand definition is an event wherein governmental capacity to respond is disrupted nor partially!

Three events so far this century seem to qualify. The Haiti Earthquake. The Fukishim Da-Ici combination earthquake [off shore and tsunami] and now the typhoon in the Phillipines following on a 7.2 magnitude earthquake several months back.

All of these events are considered natural hazards but in fact they have the impact of war on the countries involved.


While re-reading "The Butcher's Cleaver" I am left with the question - just what is in Snake Davis' venison stew recipe? Only asking since deer season's only a week away here. (And I need a good recipe).


WRC: Hurricane Hits 1851-2012

FL - 37 (including two CAT 5's)
LA - 20
TX - 19
NC - 13

Would you include Andrew in your definition?



I suppose he would have started with a roux. Lard and arrowroot would do. Then some chopped up deer meat and root vegetables would follow. Salt and pepper, wild garlic and onions. Cook with enough water to cover all. Whaddaya think? pl


Good idea. I'll have to use some bacon fat from my last pound of Crabil's finest. I'll let you know in a week or so, if my luck holds. I've got some biscuit mix to go along with it too. It sure won't do my diet any good since I've got a lot less walking to do than the boys in that story. You tell a fine tale.


When we lived in Germany we went to Berchtesgaden and had a wonderful vinison stew made with apples. We also went to the salt mines and the Eagle's Nest. Good food and beer. Weird vibe.



Salt pork would work as well. You could cut back on the lard then. Try putting some cheap bourbon in it. that always helps. I use "Virginia Gentleman," but I use that for just about everything. Let me know how it turns out. "a fine tale..." I hope so. it took me ten years to write that book. My French Canadian grandfather used to cook in the field like the fellows in that book when we went ice fishing or gunning. Fried salt pork, scrambled eggs, crepes, potatos with maple syrup on everything. All this was served up before dawn. pl

robt willmann

"Unidentified assailants" shot and killed Iran's deputy minister of industry, mines, and commerce today, 10 November 2013, in Tehran.


William R. Cumming

Jose! Hurricane Andrew land falling August 1992 was a huge event and a CAT 5 on Saffir Simpson scale. One (1) degree north and no Miami Beach and one (1) degree west and no NOLA!

That storm crossed the Florida panhandle and entered the GOM and then made landfall east of NOLA!

Definitely a domestic catastrophe!

The Twisted Genius


Wow! That's about as north woods as it gets. All you need is a huge pot of oatmeal.


I'm torn between a Suomi or a PPS as far as buying a subgun goes. Help me, oh wise ones.

PPS Pro: I can SBR the PPS by removing the 'fixed' folding stock and replacing it with a new one.

Suomi Pro: Fires 9mm parabellum as opposed to the PPS' 762X25 Tokarev (much more common).


A good venison stew in Germany/Austria (Hirschgulasch) would start with onions (1/4 mass of the meat) and butter or oil, roast them until they are brown, add a glas of red wine and let simmer for at least 1 hour, the goal is to get at the end, i.e. when the meat is well, a souce that doe not longer contain pieces of onions but is viscid. (the better the meat the longer you have to pre-cook the onions, the need 3 hours).

Most cooks roast the venison (cut in 1 inch cubes) for a few minutes in a pan with oil/butter and add the meat then to the pre-cooked onions, add bay leaves, a few juniper berries and fill up with wine or broth (~0.5 litre per kg. meat). Then cook for 1.5-2 hours, add salt, pepper and cranberry jam or apples.

Serve with noodles, potatoes, mashed potatoes, dumblings or simply bread, the classic version is with dumblings and red cabbage, I prefer mashed potatoes and carrots.

The same works with boar instead of venison, and there is a good version with beef shank too, that is the Rindgulasch in Austria. Best is to prepare all teh stews a day before, they get better and the timing with the oinions is less critical.



I suppose you have done this but we would build a bonfire on the lake ice and the adults would stand around drinking and socializing while we waited for red flags to spring up over our traps. pl


Apples would be a nice touch. Thanks.

Charles I

Hi Tyler, between the cottage and bannings, I missed wheter you had a boy or a girl, did your real estate deal go through? Hope its all good.

Charles I

We used to do it that way, now do it from a hut, but in law school we used to drive a van right onto Lake of the Woods, its full of ice roads. Tunes, a crapper, sausages and taters and onions cooking, a sunny day, it was high style. Cross the border - an imaginary line - at the Northwest Angle to pop in on the fire chief/border post/liquor store for cheap(er) booze. Even the ling cod were tasty but damned hard to skin. Pickerel paradise.


Hi Charles,

I have a little girl now who's gurgling away and huge for her age. The real estate went through, and now I'm up to some 14 chickens, 7 ducks, and two cows. A lot of learning as I go around here. Other news includes getting an advance on my novel and knocking out some debts. Thanks for inquiring.

David Habakkuk


Glad to have you back, and also to hear that you daughter is thriving.


Mr. Habakkuk,

Thank you on both counts!

nick b

Still a fisherman, Col.?

Charles I

Congrats, sounds like a handful.

The Twisted Genius


I assume you're talking about the new semiautomatic versions. I'd go for the Suomi. If the new version is anything like the original, it's a fine weapon. The wooden stock would be a big plus for me. I'd also scrounge up a 71 round drum for it. I would get either one just for the sense of history that surrounds them. I suggest you also look at some surplus M-1 carbines. I have a sweet one that my father in law acquired through a CMP sale. It's a real piece of history and a handy weapon in its own right.

You seem to be well on your way on establishing your homestead. Congrats. At you don't have to worry about husbanding your animals through a northern winter.

The Twisted Genius


Yes, we fished that way. A winter's fire is a marvelous thing. My uncle also had a shack on the shore of Bantam lake that we'd use all seasons. It had an inviting little pot bellied stove and a never ending supply of fresh kielbasa, potato sausage and cabbage soup. Of course there also was a never ending supply of home brewed spirits, beer and dandelion wine.

Allen Thomson

A bit late to be getting into this open thread, but I'd be interested to hear comments on


I.e., the number of Congressfolk who've been in the military is at a low -- how does that affect their willingness to commit the nation to military action?


Welcome back Tyler.

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