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27 November 2013

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turcopolier

Andrew
If that means that you think the US government was secretly cooperating with the Israeli nuke program you are very mistaken. They stole our things and information because they had to. Does your statement imply that you think Israeli espionage and subversion in the US are OK? pl

turcopolier

DH

Perhaps panic over waning influence inspired Milchan's outburst on TV. pl

turcopolier

DH

In re AM's citizenship I have asked Hersh. pl

Medicine Man

Mr. Habakkuk:

I think you've put your finger on an important phenomenon; the increasing ability of people to converse amongst themselves, without fear of reprisal, and compare notes. The growing understanding that certain kinds of skepticism are commonplace is an empowering thing.

Charles I

And yet my MP, a true believer, must contend with ever more demands for her take as our Member on the appalling governance and foreign policy Mr.Harper has ginned up. As David Habakkuk observes the ever better informed and documented non-professional commentariat are getting restless enough to make the most craven of pols have second thoughts on the wisdom and infallibility of Dear Leader. You can shoot the messenger but you can't shoot your constituents.

Charles I

Is there not some kind of federal or international anti-proliferation law to apply. What was all the fuss over Dr. Khan, didn't he see the inside of a cell for bit?

different clue

As I remember, A Q Khan was put under house arrest for a little while. Sometime after 9/11 when Bush Administration people wanted to talk to A Q Khan about the reach of his network, President Musharraf refused to allow it flatly and absolutely. As I remember.

stanley henning

It appears to me that there were no serious national controls over these materials - and businesses were merely eager to make money - we apparently had no system - in essence, we lost it. This is terribly depressing.

IRmep

That's the constant refrain from the pro-Israel crowd, including Walter Pincus at the Washington Post. However, after making the claim that USACE supported the Israeli nuke program last year, WAPO walked it back when it was formally denied.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-11-28/world/35508382_1_u-s-army-corps-usace-israeli-air-force

If there was any truth to the "US supports Israeli nukes" canard, documentary evidence would have surfaced by now.

Andrew

I simply find it hard to believe that no counter- intell agencies were able to grasp this deep manipulation... I mean we are talking about nuclear proliferation are we not. OT, thank you for the outstanding work you do sir.

SAC Brat

"... one wonders as who call the shots."

As someone who contacted his representatives when the US government was trying to get involved in Syria, I think the US citizens can still call the shots, when and if they wake up. I think the uproar over Syria scared the Washington elite and they would like everyone to go back to sleep.

turcopolier

Andrew

In my experience US counterintelligence has no difficulty in detecting such activity. what happens after such detection is that the politicians in the US government then order the professionals to desist and to not prosecute. It does not seem to matter which party is in charge. the Zionists have thoroughly infiltrated both. pl

William R. Cumming

Where I stand this day! The USA is probably the last best hope of mankind! But we are not exceptional and not the "city on a hill" that some believe. The polity in the USA make many mistakes! Some out of good intentions but still mistakes.

Not oddly perhaps most of the world's peoples and leaders understand that the real "great Game" is the USA and its leaders and peoples policies and decisions.

The question now for me is does the USA have existential threats to its future, and if so what and if not why not?

Is one of those threats Israel, and if so why and if not why not?

CK

CIA counter intelligence was trying to recover from the J. J. Angleton situation during this period wasn't it? He was bounced in 1975. CIC was dissolved in 1961. Since 1975, counter Intelligence has not been a priority.
If my count is correct, there are now 10 named agencies which share and overlap on counter intelligence and another 18 with intelligence gathering responsibilities. My cynicism says that each of them has at least one dual loyalty/dual national in its upper echelons.

turcopolier

CK

You are a victim of self serving CIA journalism driven propaganda. People like Ignatius, etc. The FBI, DIA CI, the armed services, all knew in depth of Israeli penetration and manipulation using US nationals. That has been true for fifty years. The inability to root our this cancer is entirely a matter determined by illegal but skillful Israeli/AIPAC political operations. These operations are quite similar to the COMINTERN infiltration of Hollywood in the 20s and 30s. I repeatedly tried to interest the FBI in the obvious Israeli/Zionist penetration of DoD and was told at the Deputy Director level that they were powerless to do anything. pl

The beaver

SAC Brat

I do hope that you are right . Just in case you haven't seen this:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/191419-nuke-deal-strains-relations-with-big-jewish-donors

This is only for one party.

turcopolier

Beaver. The Zionist apparat routinely uses the threat of withheld donations to control their stooges. They do the same thing with pressure on media bosses with regard to advertising. *erle once said to me in a TV studio that they had me frozen out and no longer worried about me. If you look around at the sub-ministerial level in the Executive Branch you will see how well they have done. pl

CK

In the 20's there were 5 majors in Hollywood.
The ownership and control of each was the same as the ownership and control of the 2013 media empires.
It was infiltration but the doors were opened wide by the people at the top.
I have tried to read everything legally available on J. J. Angleton and his career. Some folks have written glowingly of his performance others have called him a paranoid drunk and a "wrecker."
There are television dramas and movies that supposedly chart his career; each with a different agenda from different backers.
Hanssen and Ames thrived after he was retired by Colby.
What does appear incontrovertible is that Angleton started the relationship between the CIA and Mossad and Shin Bet.

Medicine Man

He said that to your face? Astonishing.

And yet they're losing their ability to manufacture consent. That has to be a bit gratifying to see.

turcopolier

All If you want to accept the dominance of the Zionists over the Goy animals then you are free to do so. pl

CK

Accept?
That dominance is not even allowed to be acknowledged in polite American company.
To acknowledge is to be labeled and once the label is affixed it is tough to be heard.
There are 535 congress people. 34 of them have
automatic dual citizenship. They are the only over-represented religious or racial minority in the congress. Is it surprising that congress is trying mightily to derail the Iran agreements?
Without recognition of reality there can be no rejection or reclamation.
It does not surprise me that bureaucrats find themselves powerless. The President wannabes have to prostrate themselves and be vetted; it should not be surprising that lower level bureaucrats have also had to pass approval.

Charles

SB,
My wife and I did the same but both senators and our representatve informed us that they knew better than us. All three were prepared to vote yes on attacking Syria.
Regards,

Charles

SH,
We have had signifant problems in the area of controls before:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2008-03-26/news/36791585_1_nuclear-warheads-nuclear-missile-nuclear-weapons
I believe SECDEF Gates made removed AF SEC Wynne and a general or two over the transported missiles but I am not sure if anyone at DLA suffered a similar fate.
Regards,

Castellio

CK: Where (book, article, documentary, thesis, etc) is that conclusion most clearly indicated, in your estimation?

Bandolero

Ulenspiegel

Yes, I know these. After the accident there were made huge efforts to cover things up.

The Euroclus study in effect just says leukemia could have many causes. An explanation why and how from a near nuclear power plant and research facility small balls of nuclear fuel got into peoples gardens was not given in that study.

It was just ignored, and the government even flatly denied the PAC balls containing nuclear fuel which people found in masses in their gardens. But the PAC balls were there, and people living there even brought them to Belarus for analysis to get analysis results from out of the German system.

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