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27 November 2013

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William R. Cumming

Of course the real secret is almost total cooperation formal and informal between the US and Israel in the Israeli nuclear program from inception.

Is Israel an unsinkable aircraft carrier? NO!

turcopolier

WRC

You are absolutely wrong. The US government has never "cooperated" in the Israeli nuclear weapons program. That is why Israel recruited spies to steal information and material from the US. With regard to the unsinkable aircraft carrier nonsense they have always been very careful to abstain from making any commitments to us. pl

William R. Cumming

Many if not most Israeli nuclear physicists trained in USA!

William R. Cumming

Did not President Wilson [perhaps naively] want to end all secret treaties secretly arrived at?

William R. Cumming

Did Mr. Pollard have dual citizenship?

oofda

Concur, he should be prosecuted. But that will never happen, as you know.
He is getting on in years, perhaps he might have an accident, though.

William R. Cumming

What is Mr. Milchan's citizenship?

The beaver

Incorrect
It was France, starting back in the late 50's (I always say that Ben Gourion's only copy of the Protocole de Sèvres for the Suez fiasco of 1956 must have been a good threat to get the French to cooperate. Germany sold them some H/W later on (IIRC- need to confirm) plus whatever was stolen 9Gone missing is the excuse) and spirited out of the US.
Once de Gaulle started to make good with the Arab countries of the ME after Algeria, he wanted that cooperation to stop but some people in Quai d'Orsay have been and are still pro-Israel.

Bandolero

Phew!

I understand that Arnon Milchan was the producer or moneyman for Oliver Stones "JfK" movie and I guess I understand why he financed that movie, that didn't mention Israeli nukes at all.

But: "These materials included "triggers" for nuclear devices as well as fissile material itself."

That I find quite shocking. So far I thought the triggers for the Israeli nukes were developped by GKSS in Geesthacht, Germany. So far, I thought, the reason that the people in Geesthacht have leukemia due to some radioactive PAC balls they found in their gardens after one of the experiments of GKSS went wrong was that these experiments were made for Israeli nuke triggers.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leuk%C3%A4miecluster_Elbmarsch#Mutma.C3.9Fliche_Sonderexperimente_auf_dem_GKSS-Gel.C3.A4nde_in_Kr.C3.BCmmel

But now it seems that Israel didn't do at all such experiments for triggers in Germany for Israeli nuke triggers. So, I wonder, what were these faulty experiments in Krümel that caused leukemia in Geesthacht really good for?

oth

Isn't it more likely the Israelis and Chinese worked together on weapons development (miniaturization, testing, etc)? They both had the same interests at the same time.

cloned_poster

Harking back to an earlier post re JFK.

Did he really press for weapons inspectors at Dimona in the months before he was murdered?

turcopolier

bandolero et al

See IrMep's long effort to document the whole "triggers" affair. pl

turcopolier

WRC

His citizenship(s) would not be a factor in charging him with espionage and illegal export. pl

turcopolier

WRC

He did not at the time of his crime. I was on the JCS damage assessment board. I believe he has been given Israeli citizenship and renounced his US citizenship. pl

turcopolier

WRC

There is no secret treaty with Israel. pl

michaelhenry7813@comcast.net

Colonel Lang,

Where are the Bush era torture thugs
when we need them?

Nightsticker
USMC 1965-1972
FBI 1972-1996

patrick lang

All

http://www.irmep.org/cfp/11252013milchan_fara.pdf

pl

Bobo

Google Richard Smyth along with Nuclear Triggers and Milchan pops up.

oofda

You are right..nothing in the Post or the NY Times...but mentioned in CNN, USAToday, Variety and even Fox.

David Habakkuk

With people like Milchan -- and Sheldon Adelson, and Jeffrey Goldberg -- I am baffled. Do they not realise that they are courting a backlash? Are they really as witless as they appear to be?

rst

Part of the reason this item hasn't been as widely picked up in the media as one might wish or imagine is because it is a very old story. Milchan is indeed proud of himself, and more or less said so several times on "60 Minutes," which aired stories years ago after numerous press reports. This story is also detailed at some length in "Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan," by Meir Doron and Joseph Gelman, which came out in the US in 2011.

turcopolier

rst

That doesn't mean a damned thing. He is still a criminal and should be prosecuted. pl

rst

No doubt, and I hope it happens. Nor is he the only shady Israeli movie producer in Hollywood. Far from it. I'm just referring to why some editors, right or wrong, might not see it as a timely story.

And if the Feds ever did get interested, why stop with Milchan or other Israelis? According to last week's UK Independent, "Milchan also revealed that he received help in his covert activities from other Hollywood figures, including the late director-producer Sydney Pollack, [director of Tootsie, Out of Africa, 3 Days of the Condor etc] whom Milchan claims knowingly assisted him in several arms deals."

Pollock's dead, but who are the "other Hollywood figures"?

IRmep

That doesn't mean the US supported the Israeli nuke program. If an Edward Teller, Baruch Cinai or Zalman Shapiro went over and violated their security clearances, that's not exactly cooperation.

Please point to some declassified American government documents that indicate cooperation, because we've been looking for those for a decade.

William R. Cumming

There is no statute of limitations on a charge of Tron!

There is some open source information that Israel has not just enriched uranium but also plutonium!

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