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15 November 2013

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b

"b tells us that there are no such fighters from Iraq. If so, how did ISIS make such a mistake? pl "

I didn't day there are none. I said that, judging from only few reports of burials of such fighters, that their numbers must be rather small and very much exaggerated by the takfiris and their "western" propaganda corps. This of course to stoke the Saudi sectarian narrative.

How those ISIS folks made that mistake? Just like Washington makes most of its mistakes. They believed in their own side's propaganda.

turcopolier

b

IMO you are wrong and there are ever growing numbers of Shia fighters who are in Syria with the connivance of Maliki's government. why would they not go to Syria to fight their enemies? pl

Bandolero

turcopolier

The Shia mujahideen of Iraq do not go out into the world to fight some demons. They go for much more narrow tasks.

Protecting holy shrines like that of Zaida Zainab south of Damascus is such a task. Protecting the shrine may be geographically not totally narrow interpreted. When you see the recent sweeping army successes in Husseiniya, Sabina, Hajira, all rather close to that holy shrine, expect that mujahedeen protecting the shrine had some role in that successes.

In the Aleppo region the only place where you might meet Iraqi Shia mujahideen may be in the Nubl & Zahra area where they might visit some friends, and, of course, accidentially they might be quite helpful to protect the Shia communities there.

The mistaken beheading is said to have taken place in the context of the battle for the brigade 80 base. I don't think that there were any Shia at all involved in that battle. That would be illogical and counterproductive.

According to my information the only foreigners involved in the base 80 battle were Palestian mujahedeen made up from Palestian refugees living for decades in Aleppo, but some of them, eg those of Ein Al Tal camp, were displaced by anti-government militias. So now they fight to go back into their homes, and the base 80 battle was seen as part of that effort. The desire to go home and bring the Israeli project in Syria to a halt is a much more direct motivation then fighting some "enemies" in a far away country.

That many anti-government fighters see everywhere lot's of Iraqi and Shia militia where there are none at that place I would describe as a blowback effect from propaganda made for sectarian incitement spread by zionist Western outlets and their puppets in the region. See here a typical example of such a dishost propaganda effort to incite sectarian hatred:

http://www.voanews.com/content/boosted-by-foreign-shiite-militia-assads-forces-advance-on-aleppo/1788908.html

Many anti-government fighters just fell into the trap of their real leader's own dishonest sectarian propaganda efforts and so they start now even beheading each other based on those lies.

turcopolier

bandolero

NN is a "secularist" activist and you are simply anti-Shia. I utterly reject the notion that the Shia of Hizbullah or from Iraq are fighting in Syria to protect shrines. they are intelligent people and they know that to allow Syria to fall into the hands of bands of Wahhabi jihadis supported by Saudi Arabia would simply be madness and detrimental to the deep interests of Shia and other minorities, Christians, Alawis, etc. Nasrullah made it clear a couple of days ago that Hizbullah will continue to fight alongside the government indefinitely. He would not be doing that if what was at stake was pilgrimage rights. At the same time Hariri, the Lebanese agent of SA is fulminating over the situation. This is a clear indication that Saudi Arabia is becoming desperate over its coming defeat. BTW, unless you know me, do not call me, "dear friend." pl

Bandolero

turcopolier

'BTW, unless you know me, do not call me, "dear friend."'

You seem to cofuse me with NN.

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2013/11/government-troops-take-more-towns-in-syria.html?cid=6a00d8341c72e153ef019b012397a3970b#comment-6a00d8341c72e153ef019b012397a3970b

Matthew

Bandolero: What "truth" justifies beheading a hospital patient? The rebels' pathology goes deeper than propaganda efforts.

FkDahl

Colonel,
How do you say "oopsie" in Arabic?

turcopolier

FKDahl

I think I would opt for "mufaja'a" (surprise!) pl

turcopolier

bandolero

Sorry. I was in a hurry. pl

Bandolero

Matthew

I didn't say that some "truth" justifies any beheading. I see any kind of death punishment, be it beheading, hanging, toxic injection or whatever, very critical. I was just trying to agree to 'b' that the reason for the mistake is that lot's of anti government fighters seem to believe the lies of the propaganda of their leaders and therefore start to behead eath other.

As for the "pathology" behind it, I find there is a striking similarity to European culture, especially, to Robespierre and the Jacobins. Nevertheless, I'm not a historian and I'ld like to leave the discussion of the various pseudo messianic movements in history to historians and religious scholars, wheather it may be the Jacobins, takfiris, zionist fanatics, a fitna wahhabiya, evangelist megachurch extremists, or whatever.

However, if you'ld like to have my opinion on those, I may further explain my rather uninformed opinion on such topics.

confusedponderer

Absolutely. As I said, the point here is that the beheading is the feature, and the only bug is the mistaken indentity of the victim.

The killing of prisoners and wounded is apparently a habitual rebel practice, and incidentally constitutes war crimes.

That they also expose prisoners to public "insults and public curiosity" and just as habitually torture is in these circumstances clearly the least of their prisoners problems.

ISL

Bandolero:

could you explain "the Israeli project in Syria." I am not familiar with the term, although I could guess.

Bandolero

ISL

'could you explain "the Israeli project in Syria."'

Regime change.

See Efraim Halevy explain in Februar 2012 the logic in public: "As President Bashar al-Assad’s government falters, Syria is becoming Iran’s Achilles’ heel. ... Iran is intent on assuring its hold over the country regardless of what happens to Mr. Assad — and Israel and the West must prevent this at all costs."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/08/opinion/to-weaken-iran-start-with-syria.html?_r=0

However, in his public musings Efraim Halevy failed to mention another, much more direct point of Israeli interest. "Friends of Israel" in Germany oppined privately, that a new dependent and pliant government in Syria would likely legitimize Israeli control of Golan.

Medicine Man

Cannibalism amongst the jihadis is certainly not Halal.

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