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17 August 2013

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joe brand

"Obama privately derides controversy over NSA surveillance."

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/14/obama-privately-derides-controversy-over-nsa-surveillance/

Clapper and Alexander are still in government because their boss has no idea they've done anything wrong.

walrus

The authors of the Constitution could not know that one day it would be possible to automate tyranny. The tools with which successive American Administrations are arming themselves are tyrants tools, pure and simple.

It is extremely naive to believe that these implements will not be used against people perceived to be threats to the ruling class - the developing American aristocracy. All that is currently missing from that group is the hereditary nomenclature.

"Freifrau" Chelsea Clinton is a good example of this class.

turcopolier

walrus

What do you want me to do? Shut up? pl

VietnamVet

Colonel,

We listen to you. Our world has changed. The furlough of federal employees for 6 to 11 days is a big “screw you” down the chain of command. I am trying to say the new aristocracy is so divorced from reality that they have ceased to give a damn about what their employees think or say, especially truth speakers like you. We only exist to be exploited or to butter them up.

Michael Murry

Fourth and Long

Clapper on the inside
Clapper on the outside
Clapper in the crapper wiping
Clapper's boss's backside

Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller"

Ditto for Keith Alexander. Lying just to keep in practice; just so they won't forget how.

kao_hsien-chih

Well, to be sure, Madison, at least, anticipated this: he was explicit in recognizing that "No theoretical checks--no form of government can render us secure. To suppose that any form of government will secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in the people, is a chimerical idea." (from his speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention.) So, are we finally running out of the minimum virtue without which no system of government could keep liberty of citizenry secure? Perhaps we are....

Fred

"how we can make sure that there absolutely is no abuse in terms of how these surveillance technologies are used." I surprised Obama had the gall to say this. He doesn't want abusive surveillance? Read the Constitution, then follow it. I'm sure there's a copy somewhere in the District of Columbia.

The Twisted Genius

I noticed that Obama did not acknowledge that this was a question of unconstitutional activities. He just thought all us poor bewildered children didn't understand why we must be spied upon for our own good. He's been surrounded by those secret squirrels so long he's become one. It seems every time Obama, Alexander or any other defender of NSA surveillance of Americans speaks out, a new document leaks out and proves them to be liars.

Clapper and Alexander are threats to the Constitution. I am convinced of that. But they are only the most visible threats. They are supported by a legion of fellow true believers. There have always been some of these, but the GWOT has poisoned a lot of minds in the national security structure and in the citizenry.

JohnH

Every day Obama looks more and more like the empty suit that he is. First, he makes a statement denying data vacuuming. The next, information comes out that there is massive data vacuuming.

Then, he says that it is all under tight control and supervision. The next day information comes out that it is not. Even the head of the FISA court said the court lacks tools for oversight.

Then he says that there have been no violations of the rules the NSA operates under. The next day it comes out that there are multiple violations PER DAY, just from Fort Mead. And Sen. Wyden states that this is the tip of the iceberg.

It's becoming increasing clear that Obama is again leading from behind--from behind Clapper and Alexander.

Fred

Sadly they are also supported by 435 members of the House of Representatives who have more than ample evidence to vote articles of impeachment against the president. (Probably the VP, too).

Tunde

col,
i have no way of proving this but if the testimonies on Binney, Drake et al are true, this all started with Hayden at NSA. Clapper and Alexander presumely had to agree to get considered for their jobs. Hayden ? 'There is something of the night about him'

turcopolier

tunde

IMO Hayden belongs in the same "bin." pl

Charles I

But not any question of responsibility to the Constitution.

OT,Senator Graham was on FTN or MTP can't recall setting out the M.O. by which the U.S. could influence Egypt, if not Egyptians.

1) cancel the $1.3bn aid
2) stop, by unstated means, U.S. tourism to Egypt
3) induce, by unstated means, the withdrawal of U.S. business investment in Egypt.

(total bilateral trade = $8.4bn): http://export.gov/egypt/

Problem solved, but uh, what is it we want "them" to do again?

He also stated that

gregorylent

government is a club, an in-group ..they protect their own ... it has nothing to do with citizens

CK

It is theoretically possible that the Current American Population has no virtue(s).
It's vices are stunningly déclassé.

seydlitz89

Col. Lang-

Sir, thank you for posting this. It does make a difference to me. Subject matter reminds me of a quote made just over a century ago:

"there is a great danger that the study and development of force may lead men into the temptation of using this force that they have developed. There is the danger to men and to nations of becoming fascinated by the machinery they have called into being."
Winston Churchill, 1912

William R. Cumming

Is my understanding correct that General Alexander will be selecting the independent surveillance review panel?

Rd.

"he could not be expected to tell the truth to Congress because he could not accept being responsible to both the president and Congress"

Good recipe for the rest of us to be out foxed!!!!

A fox was accused of steeling a chicken before a judge. Fox claimed innocence. The judge asked who is your witness? The fox said, my tail!!!!

So now, we are approaching an authoritarian state, except with changing characters as the head(s).

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