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09 July 2013

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mbrenner

I don'y see the evidence that Turkish policy re Syria is at American behest or that Erdogan has thrown out the window the Davutoglu designed foreign policy. Erdogan - we should recall -was quite ready to tell Kerry/Obama to go to hell when we squeezed him to cancel his trip to Gaza.He is nobody's flunky. There are self-interested reasons why Turkey has supported the insurrection that have little to do with sectarian affinities: the belief that Assad was doomed and that a protracted civil war was the worst outomce; and the unsettlin effects of massive refugee flows.

Turkey does not have Washington's luxury of prevaricating endlessly and changing its mind every 72 hours in its public comments about syria. As to the economy, people I know in Turkey do not see a major economic crisis arising short of a serious system break in the world economy.

Erdogan's problem is his growing impateience about the Islamization of Turkish society. Even President Gul now thinks that he is going too far too fast. As Erdogan told King Abduallah of Jordan: "Democracy is like a bus that you use to take you to your destination. Once there you get off." This attitude will be his undoing.

steve

"From Iran to Syria to Iraq, the Turkish AKP government pursued a policy of bilateral trade and normal diplomatic ties that was a key element of Turkey's economic success."

Hello, Washington? Are you listening?

Rd.

" There was a strong implication that Washington had his back covered. Big mistake!"

Currying favour for the ZATO has its rewards!!!

Sadam, Qudafi, BenALi, Mubarack, Morsi, shah of the shahs.. others and the list goes on... these short sighted men are in contempt of their own people.. one would hope, the sultan's head has been cracked wide enough to get some fresh air and return to his zero problem policy and bring about a more prosperous Turkieh.

and for the west, the implications are far worst than a terminally ill tumor!! This continued policy of De-stablizing governments, promoting coup d'etat, wars, killings, invasion, etc,.. US is not offering anything positive (Marshal plan) for the region.. eventually, US will be booted out of the region. It is out partially.

remember, up to the 70's, most people were becoming 'americanized'!! even taking pride in moon landings, etc.. now, they are all becoming radicalized and your treasury is continually draining. This is a reflection on US policies.

The miss-guided idiot and lobby apologists in the FP establishment, have got their heads too far up their own back side. No amount of missiles, in-visible bombers, etc is going to bring billions of people under your order! You will waste your treasury and destroy your own way of life in this country.

The FP has reached a level that one has to wonder, is it idiotic, or is it desperado? That is the question.

DH

Intriguing insights, Harper. Thank you. It seems that for the distinction of joining the crowd under Obama's bus, he's gone against his earlier, better judgement of keeping friendly relations with all. How much will Turkey's geopolitical position as a crossroad of trade help or hurt his chances to stay in power? I have the sense that the Turkish military will be content with simply leaning on him to keep him in line.

Will Reks

I still think it was the other way around. Erdogan was in DC a couple of months ago urging Obama to take a harder line against Assad. Erdogan jumped into the brier patch all on his own.

lally

Hats off to the sharp-eyed commenter at MoA who linked to this potentially game-changing prospect of Turkish military disengagement from NATO (and Israeli) interoperability.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ankaras-move-to-chinese-air-systems-appals-nato-allies.aspx?pageID=238&nID=49835&NewsCatID=483

JohnH

Erdogan's predicament mirror's Washington's. Like the US, Turkey has become dependent on foreign money to cover its huge trade deficit and foreign oil to power its industry.

Gulf states have huge excesses of both money and oil and the influence that that buys. As a result, they seem to be have been given a free hand to promote Salafi fundamentalism

I agree with Harper that Turkey should have with its "no problems" policy. It would be interesting to know what motivated Erdogan to go from zero problems to total problems. Pressure from Riyadh?

Kunuri

Great analysis, there is nothing I can disagree here if it was written May 30 the of this year. But Gezi Park events have caused a paradigm shift in Turkey regarding all political analysis. Such that, Erdogan's legitimacy, AKP's support base, relations with the rest of the world, basic freedom, machinations of the justice system and even the health of the economy is questioned and redefined as we speak. The new actor is the long apolitical youth cleverly protesting and exposing the agenda and governing style of the AKP.

Kunuri

A series of articles here to put the paradigm shift in Turkey into perspective. Kadri Gursel and Cengiz Candar are the most prominent and internationally recognized journalists in Turkey.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/erdogan-headscarf-politics-taksim-gezi-protest-violence.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Long link I know but cut and paste into browser gets you there.

Kunuri

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/06/turkey-muslim-democracy-farewell.html

Case in point here, al monitor's Turkey Pulse section is extremely informative and most articles here are legitimate journalism. I am hoping a discussion about Turkey will benefit significantly after digging through articles here.

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