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07 July 2013

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Margaret Steinfels

Thanks for these very informative essays.
Question: What would those opposed to the MB and other Islamist groups consider a reasonable compromise with their efforts to shape a more Islamic state and culture? Or does the opposition imagine a wholly secularized state, as in France.

For example, in the "West," Christian ideas of family, marriage, and other moral matters dominated our law and our culture until recently. In the past, Protestants and Catholics in the U.S. had somewhat different views of such issues but each has pretty much conceded the ground to more secular views.

Yusuf

Egyptian are already very Muslem. Islam is an essential part of our lives. MBs or no MBs, mosques are full evrey Friday noon and people in general observe their religion and "think" its ways. That went on for 1400 years. The MBs were formed 80 years ago and political Islam were not there before.What I want to say is that Islam is very much alive in the peoples day to day life. The problem started with the introduction of a "new" version That Colonel Lang described correctly as medieval. Salaf means ancestors.MBs are a branch of the Salafi movement. Their assumption is that if we return to the days of the first Muslems who built an empire out of nothing, we will be comparetively as strong. I simply do not agree.

Duncan Kinder

Mike Davis, in Planet of Slums, explores how Third World mega cities are now looming - surrounded by immense slums.
http://tinyurl.com/mdm72ht

Review:
"Urban theorist Davis takes a global approach to documenting the astonishing depth of squalid poverty that dominates the lives of the planet's increasingly urban population, detailing poor urban communities from Cape Town and Caracas to Casablanca and Khartoum. Davis argues health, justice and social issues associated with gargantuan slums (the largest, in Mexico City, has an estimated population of 4 million) get overlooked in world politics: "The demonizing rhetorics of the various international 'wars' on terrorism, drugs, and crime are so much semantic apartheid: they construct epistemological walls around gecekondus, favelas, and chawls that disable any honest debate about the daily violence of economic exclusion." Though Davis focuses on individual communities, he presents statistics showing the skyrocketing population and number of "megaslums" (informally, "stinking mountains of shit" or, formally, "when shanty-towns and squatter communities merge in continuous belts of informal housing and poverty, usually on the urban periphery") since the 1960s. Layered over the hard numbers are a fascinating grid of specific area studies and sub-topics ranging from how the Olympics has spurred the forceful relocation of thousands (and, sometimes, hundreds of thousands) of the urban poor, to the conversion of formerly second world countries to third world status. Davis paints a bleak picture of the upward trend in urbanization and maintains a stark outlook for slum-dwellers' futures."

This situation is unprecedented in human history; nobody understands it.

Cairo, however, is one such slum-surrounded mega city.


There are, howevere, slum-related aspects to the current Middle East situation. E.g., Sadr City, Gaza, Hezbollah.

Which suggests that interpreting Middle Eastern "terrorism" as an aspect of this broader slum development may be useful.

And which further suggests that Cairo, the sleeping giant, is now being stirred. With potentially serious implications which nobody could understand or control

robt willmann

How about this man, Hamdeen Sabahy? An actual nationalist? He was arrested for opposing Egypt's support of the 2003 Iraq invasion, Wikipedia says. He ran for president when Mursi did and came in third. He seems to want Egypt independent of U.S. and Zionist influence. No wonder his name has not been mentioned in U.S. mass media.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamdeen_Sabahi

https://twitter.com/HamdeenSabahy

walrus

What are the chances that the Army could wipe out the MB?

turcopolier

walrus

You mean send them home early? pl

seydlitz89

Yusuf-

Thank you for a very informative series of posts regarding these times. There are certain similarities . . .

And thank you Colonel Lang.

Augustin L


This is in part what led to Morsi's removal. The army refused to be used as a dagger to attack Syria and do the bidding of ...http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/morsi-role-at-syria-rally-seen-as-tipping-point-for-egypt-army-1.1450612

Walrus

consign,, with or without waiting virgins.

Lord Curzon

Sir, Walrus

I imagine if the Army went down that route, they'd end up with a situation similar to Algeria with the FIS, which in the ensuing civil war cost thousands of lives. Hence Yusuf's desire to keep the MB in the political process. "Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer", is apt!

Matthew

Sullivan makes the case for cutting aid to Egypt and Israel. See http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/09/will-we-cut-egypts-aid-ctd/

If the Zionist Miracle values the Peace Treaty with Egypt so much, why don't they pay for it?

harry

I saw this video in the UK telegraph. Im sure its all over the internet by now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10170307/Ahmed-Assem-the-Egyptian-photographer-who-chronicled-his-own-death.html?placement=rhs1

Jane

I would assume limited. It would be like trying to eradicate the IRA. Every time an activist was killed members of his family would step up to take his place and sympathizers would be moved closer to violence.

Long term incarcerations after manifestly fair trials would be a better option. Much more tedious but more convincing to the society in the long run.

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