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04 February 2013

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turcopolier

EA

I don't have problem with federal law against "gun traffickers" if by that you mean those who make a business of smuggling guns from one state to another.

On the other hand, do you favor a family exemption for gun transfers without background checks? What about the ability to allow someone to fire one of your weapons on a range or hunting trip? pl

Edward Amame

Yes that is exactly what I mean by gun trafficking.

I believe that any background check piece of legislation would have to include such an exemption to pass congress.

I don't own a gun, but have gone shooting with a friend at a range near his house in Rockland County. I use his one of his shotguns. Please don't ask me what kind. All I know is my shoulder hurts for hours afterwards. Anyway we just shoot at the range, but I guess the issue gets more complicated if I were to to do something other than shoot at clay pigeons with it.

turcopolier

EA

"I guess the issue gets more complicated if I were to to do something other than shoot at clay pigeons with it." Why? Because you are humane? I have not hunted in 40 years because it came to sicken me, but I respect all my hunter friends. I killed too many men for the US, or caused them to die to look at animals dead at my hands when I was not hungry. Try to respect us non New Yorkers. pl

Edward Amame

Sorry Col Lang, I was very unclear. I wasn't referring to hunting, I have nothing particularly against hunting. I was referring to doing something illegal with the borrowed gun.

Tyler

Lol whut? USC 922(r)5. Otherwise what was the methodology behind Fast and Furious being designed to prosecute straw purchasers for the Mexican Cartels? Oh because there is definately straw purchase laws on the books, federal and state, that punish these things. More anti-gun pap from a fantasy island liberal.

I noticed you dodged my comment about Holder- are they going to prosecute him for gun running to the Mexican Cartels? The stuff, y'know, ended with a dead BPA Brian Terry?

Tyler

I'm sorry Pima went full silliness with that Baja Arizona nonsense a few years ago. Some absolutely beautiful places in that county, but I would move to Gila, Yavapai, or Cococino in a heartbeat if I could find a posting. If you want, we'll share a beer when you get back to this side of the country- I brew my own.

Tyler

Sir,

The problem is that universal gun background checks means universal gun registration, something everyone on the Left is too disingeneous to admit.

turcopolier

tyler

Universal checks? The left is not going to agree to anything other the purist form of what they want and that wil kill it. pl

Fred

Can adults with PTSD still be parents? Certainly there's been plenty of murder suicides. Gonna round up the kids and take them away from Mom (Dad) to 'keep them safe'?

Tyler

Sir,

Agreed- you only have to look at the true believers here to see that. I think we're getting to the point where the coastal elites -really- believe everyone wants to be a New Yorker and overplay their hand shortly afterwards.

Edward Amame

There is no federal firearm trafficking statute.

http://www.examiner.com/article/senators-kirk-helps-write-first-law-against-gun-trafficking

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/a-bipartisan-planon-gun-trafficking-87220.html?hp=r5

From DOJ Inspector General Glenn Fine’s report on ATF’s implementation of Project Gunrunner:

"Because there is no federal firearms trafficking statute, ATF must use a wide variety of other statutes to combat firearms trafficking. However, cases brought under these statutes are difficult to prove and do not carry stringent penalties - particularly for straw purchasers of guns. As a result, we found that [U.S. Attorneys offices] are less likely to accept and prosecute Project Gunrunner cases. And when these cases are prosecuted and convictions obtained, Federal Sentencing Guidelines categorize straw-purchasing­ related offenses as lesser crimes."

no one

Tyler, not so much that the elites believe that everyone "wants" to be a New Yorker". More that whether they want it or not they "should" be a New Yorker.

They - us - are to be gelded, domesticated, institutionalized and made politically correct for our own good. Or is it for their own good? Either way, it is to be a forced conversion.

Tyler

As I said below, its a two fold deal: pre-emptively disarm your young, discontented males (the nexus of any resistance/rebellion), as well as make them dependent on the State and more favorable towards other Nanny Gov't projects.

Tyler

So they can go after you for it, its just you say they need another Big Government, From the Top Law to do so because "its easier that way, trust us" instead of using the statutes under USC 8 922. Sounds a lot like the same rationale that got us waterboarding, Gitmo, and drone strikes on US s via executive fiat. "Trust us, we're experts!"

Besides, I don't think AG Holder wants a gun trafficking law considering he trafficked arms to the Mexican Cartels, a salient fact you seem loathe to acknowledge.

Tyler

Mind you this is the same Gillibrand who ran to the right of her opponent on illegal immigration during her election and then turned into an amnesty enabler the moment she was sworn in, so she is hardly trustworthy.

Tyler

We're basically considered ATMs to pay for grand global social engineering projects and reparations for those oppressed by all the privilege we have.

As I noted in another thread, I'm waiting for when I'll need my anti-drone burqa after we're all considered nominal citizens for not getting on board the traing to the Glorious Progressive Future.

On the other hand, I think a lot of our nominal "elites" will be part of the "Occupy" movement coming to the lamp post or firing line near you.

no one

Alright Tyler, if i ever get out of here we'll get together and have that beer. I'm always up for good beer and good company - even they have to be enjoyed in anti-drone suits.

elkern

What the hell does that last paragraph mean? Are you ready to shoot everybody who disagrees with you?

Seriously, what do you mean by that?

Tyler

It means I think our "elites" are going to overreach when they realise they can't turn the country into fantasy island progressive-topia through the usual means and then things get interesting.

Tyler

Seriously, the same bastards who just published their justifications for sky executions of US Citizens without TRIAL are now using every disingeneous tactic in the book to try and convince the public to let itself be disarmed "for the children" and your worried about what "occupy a lamp post" means?

Do you see why maybe I don't have a rosy outlook on where this all ends?

John Minnerath

"Is such a weapon even practical for anyone but the Arnies of the world to wield,"

No military uses that caliber :)
It's pretty potent.
Next week I'm getting a new S&W XVR 460.
A dealer in town got a few in.
Look that one up.

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