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09 November 2012

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Fred

Well it's a good thing Romney didn't pick Patreaus.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/david-petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director/2012/11/09/636d204e-2aa8-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_story.html

The WAPO has this part wrong though:
"The sudden departure created turmoil in the Obama administration’s national security team just days after the president’s reelection."

Obama now has a great opportunity to clean house.

turcopolier

Al Spofford

Coinistus Maximus Petraeus is not "an ex-general." He is a retired general and still on the Army list and subject to UCMJ article 134 for adultery. This is seldom prosecuted but can be. IMO there is more to this affair than the affair. I suspect that he did not want to testify and currect pending charges for forcible sodomy and rape may have come together for him with fear of exposure over the adulterous affair as a fearful "storm." pl

The beaver

{Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said Friday that she believed Petraeus’s infidelity did not require him to resign.

“I wish President Obama had not accepted this resignation, but I understand and respect the decision,” Feinstein said in a statement. She described Petraeus’s resignation as an “enormous loss for our nation’s intelligence community and for our country.”}

That woman cum Senator has never heard the word "BLACKMAIL" or "Honey trap" and yet she is sitting on the intell committee. .....or is it a loss for Israel< the retired general good friend .

Mj

I said when it broke it was probably Paula Broadwell. She was a runner with him and wrote a book about him. She just loved him.

steve

I find it difficult to believe that given the state poll numbers which consistently painted a very difficult path for Romney, at least some members of his staff weren't aware of the likely loss.

I think we need to keep in mind, too, that since Citizens United opened the floodgates for unlimited campaign money there was probably a good deal of dishonest salesmanship and puffery going on to keep the dough flowing to the consultants, regardless of the facts. Two words on that one: Karl Rove.

Wonder if Adelson wants his money back. He's reputedly mobbed-up you know. j/k

Al Spafford

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-25-2012/paula-broadwell
Does this possibly give a new meaning to "Embedded"?

turcopolier

steve

You are naive if you think that people are not very capabe of group self deception on this scale. pl

Al Spafford

Thanks for the correction. You and others more in the know have commented that there is likely additional aspects to the story. The affair is back in history and why at this point in time has he publicly confirmed it?
The "pending charges" you refer to are applied to another General, not Petraeus, I assume?

Al Spafford

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-25-2012/paula-broadwell

turcopolier

Al Spofford

Yes the other man is at Ft. Bragg. pl

turcopolier

Al Spofford

I saw the DS thing and told my wife that as an old CO I saw a vulnerability. pl

steve

You are also considered downright lefty if you support the concept of social security, medicare, or any form of universal healthcare.

Of course, those items garner near universal support from both the left and right in most all developed nations. But of course any reference to that fact and you will get branded as a non-believer of American exceptionalism.

mbrenner

Adultery exposes Petraeus to blackmail? Perhaps. I do wonder though what are the other possible charges to which the Colonel alluded. There are two questions: the nature of the ac(s)t; and the background of the lady involved. What if she were Pashtunfrom Kandahar and not Tajik or Uzbek.

turcopolier

mbrenner

So far as I know you have never been in government nor the military and have never had a security clearance. That being the case it is not surprising that you do not understand how UCMJ and security policy apply here. Adultery is the equivalent of a felony under UCMJ. That makes Petraaeus subject to blackmail by those who would know and threaten to expose him. The same vulnerability to exposure in the public media is cause for removal of access to classified information. pl

Allen Thomson

Good catch. It's an interesting possibility:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15056607-petraeus-biographer-paula-broadwell-under-fbi-investigation-over-access-to-his-email-law-enforcement-officials-say

Walrus

Of course you can Babak.

Allen Thomson


That may be true in the military -- I couldn't say.

But, having worked as a CIA officer and then as a NIC consultant for a bit under three decades with good opportunity to observe what was going on, I'll testify that adultery and other extramarital shenanigans are far from unknown in the Agency.

In few cases does such behavior, even though fairly blatant, lead to loss of clearance. One Office director who progressed to become a Deputy Director of the CIA component that handled its Continuity of Government program and such matters as Program B of the NRO comes to mind.

turcopolier

Allen Thomson

"That may be true in the military" -- Read article 134. I have no interest in who the CIA screws or does not screw. pl

optimax

And a new meaning to the title of her book, "All In."

oofda

According to news reports, the FBI is investigating Paula Broadwell, Gen Petreaus' biographer and with whom he had a purported affair, for trying to get access to his email. Apparently the FBI discoverd their situation through intercepting her emails to him. They are trying to find out what, if any, access she had to his email.
BTW, she is a West Point grad.

Al Spafford

"...the best laid schemes o' mice and men ... naught but grief an' pain, for promised joy!" Robt. Burns

mbrenner

The Colonel's explanation is illuminating as to the seriousness of the situation and the legal obligations of his superiors.

A practical question: if the lady involved goes public with the information for her own self-interested reasons (a political and academic career move a la Kim Kardashian), thereby removing the threat of blackmail, does this make any difference as to appropriate punishment? if not as to the legal issue?

If the lady is ms Broadwell, I would expect that a full-blown publicity campaign wil be forthcoming - black sheath dress and all. A full-page spread a la the Russian redhead 'Chapman?' My guess is unliklely but not impossible.

turcopolier

mbrenner

There are three distinct issues in this. 1- A possible (but unlikely) criminal charge under Article 134 of UCMJ. In this the woman's status is unimportant. If she were dead he would still be vulnerable. 2 - an investigation as to whether he gave someone unauthorised access to classified information. 3 - an investigation as to whether his affair made him vulnerable to b;ackmail from fear of public disclosure. BTW any service member active or retired who held a security clearance would be equally at risk in all three cases. If you don't like UCMJ write your congressman. pl

turcopolier

oofda

"BTW, she is a West Point grad." "On brave old Army team. On to the fray. Forward to victory! That's the good old Army way." WP fight song pl

turcopolier

mbrenner

"the legal obligations of his superiors" No. Here are just a few words to help you with this. Under UCMJ any person subject to the code can charge any other person subject to the code. pl

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