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23 November 2012

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jerseycityjoan

"The struggle will continue indefinitely."

That seems probable to me. It also seems probable that we Americans will remain stuck with this issue being considered our issue as well.

It is not.

In fact, it seems that the defense of Israel is supposed to be more our worry than theirs.

The whole situation is so depressing. And it's not as if Israel is the only parasite draining us.


Cal

Hamas has said a hundred times that it recognizes.."The State of Israel"....they said it in 2006 when they offered a "huna' or 10 year truce, which Isr rejected...and again in 2008 ...they have said and said that their goal is "to separate from Israel" and that the "State of Israel could go it's way and Palestine would go it's way. Every time they have said they want a 'Permanent solution"..separation from Israel, period. Google some of the Hamas interviews over the years - in the European and Arab press, not US press....it's all there and been there for years. Hamas is not mainly mindless terriers, some of their leaders are very sophisticated about their economic goals for Gaza and Palestine they know to the penny how Israel is raping their economy and resources...their first agenda is breaking the blockade of Gaza because they do have trade agreements with Arab countries but can't do business with them because of Israeli blockade. One small example is Gaza has to get gas from Israel instead of Egypt...'if' they could import from Egypt then last year Gaza would have paid Egypt $20 million instead of having to pay Israel $108 million for the same amount.

mbrenner

There will be an election in Palestine fairly soon - Netanyahu and Obama permitting. It already has been postponed. Fatah will be decimated. Then what? Void the election is one possibility - although Hamas can no longer be as easily shunned. If not, Hamas will pressure the Israelis in ways they will force them to say and do things that expose their true objective. Obama will have to fish or cut bait.

Thus, the brilliance of American Middle East strategy once again on display.

Babak Makkinejad

I think the time for Hudna is past; too much has happened since 2006.

As I stated here several years ago, the 2-state solution is also dead.

Only one-state solution is practical.

But that is not palatable to the antgonists - in Palestinian area, in Israel, and in US and UK.

One has to trick the antagonists into it.

Now sometime ago Col. Lang articulated an idea to address the issue of (illegal) immigration from Mexico into the United States.

I propose to apply it to the war between Israelis and Pleastinians.

The Lang-Makkinejad Peace Plan consists of the following ingredients:

1- Palestinian state to be declared within 1967 cease-fire lines with Jerusalem as its captital.
2- All Palestinians that wish to live in Israel can do so - in conformance to the Laws of State of Israel.
3- All Israelis who wish to live in West Bank and Gaza can do so - in conformance to the Laws of State of Palestine.
4- Israelis in Palestine and Palestinians in Israel cannot vote in local and general elections.
4- Israelis in Palestine and Palestinians in Israel will be subject to the laws and regulations of the respective countires.
5- Outside of Jerusalem (say with a radius of 10 kilometeres) there can exist no island of sovereignity - of either Palestine or Israel.
6- US will supply people with experience in gerrymandering to divide up Jerusalem between Israelis and Palestinians.
7- Israel will formally cede all sovereignity obver the Al Haram Al Sharif to the State of Palestine.
8- All other details of borders, electricity, taxes, waters, cemeteries, municipal parks etc. will be subject to negogiations by committes - the membership and procedure to be determined by Israel and Palestine.
9 - No article of final settlement implies the creation of a joint unitary state.

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