"The White Horse Prophecy" by Clifford Kirakofe

The White Horse Prophecy was attributed to Joseph Smith after his death by a prominent LDS member.  The gist is that sometime in the future the US Constitution would "hang by a thread" and Mormons would join in with others to save it. The White Horse appears to be a symbolic reference to the LDS community.   Back in the 1840s era, there were a number of sects developing here in the US which were not mainstream.  Millennialists like the Millerites are an example.  Back in that day prophecy and interpreting scripture linking it to contemporary conditions was popular.  Today, this is standard fare with the Fundamentalists. Back then sectionalism was a problem in the US and the slavery issue was looming threatening the Union.  Perhaps this is what Smith's followers may have had in mind.   Who knows as they themselves are not agreed about it.  Within the LDS church, the prophecy does not appear to be taken as "canonical" because there is debate about its authenticity and interpretation.  That there is debate within a church on theological matters is not unusual. On the other hand, some LDS members feel strongly that it impels them to defend the US Constitution in troubled times.  Both Romney's father and Romney are on record endorsing this type of interpretation. Some years ago I had an LDS friend and colleague  who was quite conservative.  An academic and a lawyer, he was very strongly pro-Constitution interpreted from a traditional Madisonian perspective.  And he was quite strongly interested in the Federalist Papers and so on.  His views seemed in line with general non-LDS conservative thinking and I detected no hint of a theocratic perspective. It seems to me reasonable that members of any religion in our country who find special reasons or spiritual inspiration to support the Constitution are within their rights.  Proper support and civic activity may well be a positive thing.  One problem, of course, would be if they took this idea in a theocratic direction as that itself would be unconsitutional.  Naturally, Americans do not want a situation in which someone who became president thought of himself as a prophet of some kind.  The closest we have come to this IMO was Woody Wilson, a delusional and easily manipulated type.  GWBush seemed to be in this category also. Presently, the Fundamentalists espousing "Dominionism" have the clearest agenda to impose theocracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

As Col. Lang has said, our country faces a real dilemma given the two candidates. If Romney is elected and does not dump the Neocons, then it will be more of perpetual war for perpetual peace.  If Obama is elected, IMO it will be the same.  Clifford Kirakofe.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Horse_Prophecy

 

 

 

Comments

[trooper]

Riddles within mysteries, because a white horse is, of course, not a horse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_white_horse_is_not_a_horse

[William R. Cumming]

Wilson was deeply steeped in Calvinism and the notion of "election" as being the chosen of GOD as evidenced by success in this world not the next!

The fundamental error of many is that the Constitution was designed to protect government from religion not to protect religion from government!

[Bill H]

I would say to protect the population from religion in government. I think that is actually what you're saying, in effect, since religion doesn't harm government per se, it harms the people who live under that government, and your point is well made and a very good point.

[ked]

I've read about Joseph Smith (1844 candidate for POTUS) & theodemocracy... might we experience a "one man, one vote, one-time" plebiscite someday? Would we see it coming (ie would our MSM & "sophisticated" political hackdom recognize it as a real possibility ... esp if paid enough not to...)?

[The Moar You Know]

I just want to thank you for mentioning "Dominionism", a philosophy that is totally off the radar of almost all Americans, and possibly the greatest threat to the Republic I have witnessed in my lifetime.

[Clifford Kiracofe]

“This is about an administration that has ignored, religious Christian minority communities throughout North Africa and the Middle East, to the peril for four years.”

And Leo dismisses any concerns that Catholics might be apprehensive about voting for Romney, who is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

“Mitt Romney is a member of a religious minority community, he actually understands quite well the way in which the state can threaten a religious minority because he happens to belong to one,” Leo said. “Catholics understand that concept extraordinarily well.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82410_Page3.html#ixzz29PBCJqHV

[ked]

oh yeah... the State has oft been a serious threat to religous minorities in the USA... like Episcopalians.

[Lars]

I am not convinced that religion is as much a threat to the State anymore but I know this is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI8UPHMzZm8&feature=share

Presumably this woman is allowed to vote.

[mbrenner]

There is a touch of madness abroad in the land. The "sanctification" of so many anxieties through the arousal of religious passion is one manifestation of a wider phenomenon of people seeking escape/salvation through fanciful means. They range from "make-overs" to "reinventions" to political exorcisms(of government, of a 'Socialist' black president) to a longing for the "end days' climax. Here is evangelical country (Texas) they co-exist and even intersect at times. We rapidly are becoming an exotic society and culture more amenable to comprehension by an anthropologist than by an historian or political scientist. That seems to hold true for our presidential politics.

[Martin Oline]

This video is probably a put on. I heard it years ago as a blonde joke. The other blonde joke I heard was:
A blonde calls the fire department in panic and says, "My house is on fire! Come quick! Hurry!"
The dispatcher tells her to calm done and asks "How do we get there?"
She replies," Well, in your big red truck, of course!"

[optimax]

You're right, Lars, stupidity threatens democracy. The deer are only crossing where they are told to, yah sure, and she will vote for who she is told to vote for, you betchya.

In the 19th century the Midwest was known to be a sanctuary for spiritualists and fringe religious cults. Bizarre religions like Scientology and Moonies still pop up and attract followers. One that hasn't caught on is Urantia, which sound like a Chariots of the Gods type cult.

Islam is the only religion I see being threatened but the threat is not state sanctioned but from fearful individuals.

[optimax]

Martin,

I listened to a tape of calls to the San Francisco police dispatchers after the '89 earthquake. You'd be surprised at the number of people who snapped.

[Clifford Kiracofe]

"There is a touch of madness abroad in the land."

Well said. It is our undoing.

911 put us in a state of national hysteria and we have since wasted an estimated 5 trillion (by 2020) on unnecessary wars. This after wasting two decades since the collapse of the Soviet empire and end of the Cold War.

Magical thinking dominates.

The political leadership in both parties has failed the Republic and has moved us dangerously toward decline. Such a decline may be irreversible. Historians at some future date may well write the obituary.

[Clifford Kiracofe]

...."
At the moment, Mitt Romney is a Rorschach test, with voters seeing what they want to see. That is the secret to his surge in the polls since the first presidential debate.

"Conservatives have convinced themselves that Romney’s return to the center is a necessary election expedient, done with a wink and a nod. Swing voters who have swayed toward him believe that they have finally seen the real Mitt Romney and that he’s not the extreme candidate the negative ads (and the Republican primary process) led them to believe.

"Look, I would be content if I thought that Mitt Romney’s election meant a revival of the centrist Republican tradition—deficit reduction driven by a sense of fiscal responsibility rather than a fealty to Grover Norquist that elevates anti-tax theology over balanced budgets and longterm economic stability. I’d like to see a cease-fire called on the culture wars, as Mitch Daniels once wisely suggested, and more consistent application of the principle of individual liberty. I’d like to see a problem-solving approach to the presidency that was open to the best ideas from both sides and realized that some degree of bipartisan cooperation was necessary to governing in the national interest. But as I write these words, I’m struck by how unconservative they sound in the current environment.

"Mitt Romney will vaguely invoke all these ideas in the next debate, but they are in direct conflict with policy commitments made over the past five years of running for president.

"Yes, maybe the salesman has just been doing what he needed to do to pull off the ultimate coup in a hyper-conservative party—nominate a Massachusetts moderate who once proudly claimed that he’d been a registered independent during the Reagan years. It could be just the kind of bold Hail Mary needed to re-center the Republican Party. Or maybe Romney doesn’t believe in any political idea bigger than his own ambition.

"But the paradox of Moderate Mitt’s current success in the polls should provoke some soul searching inside the Republican Party..."
....

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/16/moderate-mitt-s-rise-and-conservatives-cognitive-dissonance.html

[Clifford Kiracofe]

"....The question then arises of what he can do to enhance his chances of continuing the momentum that he clearly developed in the first debate.

There are two ways the governor can approach this, neither mutually exclusive. The first is to continue in the tone that he spoke in throughout the first debate, clearly moderating in general terms his policy views and all the while making it clear that he disagrees fundamentally with the approach Barack Obama has taken and the results that have been achieved.

"But there is much more specifically that he can do that will arguably have a greater impact. This approach is to make clear that he will have a bipartisan administration.

"....explicit and clear outreach Romney can make to supporters of President Bill Clinton whose approval rating remains at least 15 points higher than that of President Obama. Indeed, Clinton supporters, many of whom remain undecided, are fiscally conservative Democrats and independents who remain skeptical of Obama’s politics....."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82416_Page2.html#ixzz29SGh66Xe

[YT]

Mr. Kiracofe,

"Another such victory and I come back to Epirus alone."

[YT]

optimax (my agnostic pal),

Crackpot beliefs are a phenomena most apparent in Times of Cataclysmic Change.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Turban_Rebellion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_rebellion

[Lauren]

One thing I can predict from the political climate is that we are in dangerous times and entering even more dangerous times. That's why I've been arming myself with nonlethal weapons at http://www.lifeshield-technology.com/stun-guns.html

[optimax]

YT

I didn't know about the Yellow Turban Rebellion, always thought of Taoists as being nonpolitical.

Here is another strange Chinese Rebellion that was almost successful and fairly progressive. I'm sure you know them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Heavenly_Kingdom

[The beaver]

Mr Kiracofe

Have you seen this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udew9axmdM
http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=30960