« Of allies, foreign aid and statecraft | Main | We Reap What We Sowed--Foresman »

14 September 2012

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

b

The correction from State came because, technically, Obama was simply wrong and being wrong opens him up to political attacks by Romney and would have had other foreign policy side effects.

Congress in 1989 designated Egypt a "major non-NATO ally". There are several other countries with such a designation. To simple then reject that for Egypt pretty much out of the blue, as Obama did, would have, uncorrected, let those other states question the value of such a designation.

mbrenner

We'll never know - too embarrassing either way. if Hillary/Nuland acted on their own, they're open to charges of disloyalty. If Obama changed his mind and instructed them, he's open to charges of flipping and caving in to pressure.

By the way, we all have noticed that the spokesperson for most government agencies, businesses, NGOs, or candidates are women. I guess they are supposed to have a softer, empathetic touch. The real reason, i suspect, is that their bosses calculate they will be spared cross-examination. Progress on the gender front.

John

While the President's statement was true given Egypt's currently unsettled transition to who knows what, perhaps this was only a back door way to walk back his original statement - possibly with his approval - to something shall we say, more "diplomatic?"

turcopolier

mbrenner

You civilians seem always to talk of disloyalty to some politician. This was a matter of insubordination and a usurpation of authority if State was not instructed to make such a statement. MNNA status enables the US to give its property and knowledge to another coutry. It does not require us to defend them or them, us. Afghanistan is in the same status. pl

mbrenner

Insubordination is surely the correct word whose meaning I had intended.

On drones over Benghazi: could some one explain what conceivable purpose they serve in a situation like this. I recall that in Iraq immediately after a bombing, American helicopters hovered over the site. Were they photographing or hoping that the perp always returns to the scene of his crime? Or is this some sort of voyeuristic ambulance chasing?

turcopolier

mbrenner

The drones are a futile gesture, but indicative of a commitment to pursue the dastards. pl

Walrus

Perhaps someone Quietly suggested to President Obama that American warships might like to continue to avail themselves of the Suez Canal?

The beaver

Most probably they are hoping to see if there is any traffic in and around Derna where radical Islamist figures ( and Al-Qaida ) have been setting up shop.

turcopolier

Walrus

Nah. What would they stop us with, a mob? There IS a treaty about international access. It would justify our action. pl

petrous

Thank you for stating the obvious ever so clearly ! Indeed the most challenged should see that today's Egypt is not yesterday's nearly unconditional ally. Alas, one thing is "should" and another is a myopic "won't".

turcopolier

petrous

they were always an over-rated and too expensive MNNA. Their change in attitude reduces their value even more. Mursi is a clown. the comedy of his Arabic tweets to the mob is indicative of the quality of his thinking. If it were up to me I wouldn't give the Egyptians a nickel for a couple of years. Let them live on Swedish tourism for a while. Even Romney gets it right occasionally. He is "blind squirrel" seeking the promised valley. pl

DH

From the short video clip I saw, she finally admitted it under extended pressure. Fine acting if she was following Neocon orders.

turcopolier

DH

I watched that. She knew exactly how thin the ice was. Why would pressure be needed if she was following orders from the WH to walk it back after the message was delivered. pl

The Twisted Genius

b has this right. Egypt is designated a major non-NATO ally (MNNA) along with such countries as Israel, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The designation has everything to do with facilitating the transfer of military and financial aid and avoiding certain arms export restrictions. It has nothing to do with mutual defense agreements. The MNNA is a congressionally passed statute. The President can designate an MNNA 30 days after informing Congress. I have no idea how the MNNA designation is removed.

Nuland is technically correct, but Obama's statement was more accurate in the more commonly accepted meaning of the term ally. I'm glad he said it. I think the message was delivered.


jonst

I assume Clinton told her. So, who told Clinton? Or did the Queen feel she did not have to get permission? But as for the limits of personal available to be selected...I would pick the first 20 people graduating from Master in Communication or Marketing, interview them, and select one, before I would go near anything or anyone connected to the Kagans et al. That had to be intentional.

turcopolier

TTG

b is merely right on the details. MNNA means little. The AIPAC crowd put the rod "ally" in the title of the law so that the ycould use it later. We owe Egypt nothing. We owe Israel nothing. pl

turcopolier

jonst. Now if Clinton did that on her own... How many days remain? pl

fred

That designation is surely not a treaty of alliance ratified by the senate as required by the constitution?

turcopolier

fred

It is not. pl

confusedponderer

Apropos ... this is what I remember when I hear that name - Nuland defending why it is a brilliant idea to cut funds to UNESCO.

http://smpalestine.com/2011/10/31/reporter-stumps-state-department-spokeswoman-on-us-cutting-funds-to-unesco-video-and-full-transcript/

Priceless.

The Twisted Genius

You're right. The designation ought to be changed from MNNA to MHR - Major Handout Recipient. That would be more accurate.

DH

Yes, why the tension if she were under orders to set the record straight? Are you intimating a nefarious plot by Hilldog or the Neocons?

turcopolier

DH

I ask questions. Do you have answers? pl

confusedponderer

Sorry, dead link. This one works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2xEynavQ5M&feature=related

Gorgon Stared

Hasn't Clinton already said she would leave in the 2nd term?

The comments to this entry are closed.

My Photo

February 2020

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
Blog powered by Typepad