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07 August 2012

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eakens

For years now, external powers have tried to indirectly break Iran. Israel's Lebanon action was a prime example, and I suspect the same powers that jumped at that supposed opportunity are now licking their chops at bringing down Iran's ally.

I can just imagine how emboldened the Iranians are knowing that for nearly a decade nobody has decided to test them directly, instead it's always through Hizbollah, meddling in Baluchistan, sanctions, and last but not least calling the Persian Gulf the Arabian Gulf.

505thPIR

FSA...evaporate from Aleppo post haste and hit em where they aint.

georgeg

Colonel Lang......what is going on???? are we losing touch with reality.....Council on Foreign Affairs is pushing for Al Queda involvement!!!....

turcopolier

georgeg

Yes. We have lost all touch with reality. pl

The Twisted Genius

As MSG Albert H. Rivers often said,"The shit's on, good buddy."

MSG Rivers was my first Special Forces mentor when I was a young whelp of an ROTC cadet. He came to our school in 1973 after three tours in Viet Nam, mostly leading recon teams with CCN. He would say this when things were about to dicey. To this day, whenever I found myself about to enter a dicey situation, I would hear MSG River's voice.

Those rebels in Aleppo ought to be wishing they had someone like MSG Rivers with them. They're about to find that the shit's on.

Will

The guiding North Star of our foreign policy is dirt simple & is simply about dirt; however to someone else's purported benefit- whatever benefits the Zionist settlement enterprise in the West Bank & Golan Heights.

Shylockster

<>"Colonel Lang......what is going on???? are we losing touch with reality.....Council on Foreign Affairs is pushing for Al Queda involvement!"


Welcome back buddy. I hope you enjoyed your deep sleep. What would like for breakfast?

Now you know why some people say 9/11 was an inside job. Wait another 10 years and that theory will become mainstream.

CTuttle

*heh* The Shit's On, TTG...!

FSA claims it killed Russian general in Syria who had been aiding Assad regime...

Alba Etie

Col Lang
Al Jezerra is reporting that the FSA has captured forty or so Iranian Revolutionary Guards in Syria - Quds forces are some such . Could this make it more likely that this will regionalize the Syrian Civil War ? I keep looking for another reason why the US would be supporting what appears to be AQ and other extremist elements that want to overthrow Assad. And maybe its because the US powers that be want to drag Iran into this Syrian mess - so that we might have the final showdown with Tehran .

Matthew

You mean the Iranian pilgrims? FSA is pretty good at kidnapping people.

Matthew

If the FSA says it, it has a .0001% of being true.

fatsamurai

0% true. The "murdered" general held a press conference in Moscow, saw it on Russia Today

Kunuri

I would like to question what it means for the regime of Assad to "take" Aleppo, while maintaining that it is already, irreversibly taken by the rebels.

First of all, there is no longer anything to be taken in Aleppo. The civil, economic and social fabric of the city is of no use to Assad regime for the next two, three years. It can no longer be the economic and mercantile heart of a Syrian economy. Its infrastructure is ruined, its people are bruised, its connection with the rest of the world and rest of Syria is cut off.

The Syrian Army did a great job already to make sure that all the Aleppoeans (Halebi?), who were sitting on the fence before indiscriminate bombings of entire neighborhoods, send at least a son to join FSA, if for nothing but revenge.

If the Syrian Army take control of the entire city, that is closing all entrances, rooting out all resistance, meaning mostly massacring anyone of service age, and if they can't find them, killing or detaining their kin, what then? Would they march on to Idlib, or Rastan which are being bombarded just the same as Aleppo day in and day out? ? Or secure the North East Kurdish areas? Clear out the countryside all the way back to Turkish border crossings and reclaim them? Or go back to Damascus, for a military parade and medal ceremonies?

Assad is throwing the dice for Aleppo thinking erroneously that it is the symbolic, economic and strategic heart of North Syria. For him, it is none of those anymore, but for the rebels it is still at least symbolic, if not economic and strategic and that is a victory they already have won.

For the extremist elements among rebels, foreign fighters, Al Kaida, Wahabists etc, within the ranks of the resistance, there is a Turkish proverb. "He who falls into the sea, holds on to even a snake."

Kunuri

505thPIR,

If they are everywhere, they won't have to travel too far, will they?

I hope that they have the tactical sense to pull out when they have to rather than die romantically for their cause. My take is that the resistance has reached a stage to know when to do that.

turcopolier

Kunuri

You greatly exagerate the damage in Aleppo. Refugees return and quickly at that. pl

Kunuri

"Those rebels in Aleppo ought to be wishing they had someone like MSG Rivers with them. They're about to find that the shit's on."

I think they do know over there that the shit's on. If the civilans know its time to get out, everyone knows. I hope it is clear to everyone here that this war has the passion and complexity of the Spanish civil war, without being none too insignificant in violence and atrocities committed. I wonder if there'll ever be a "La Guerro Aleppo."

Poul

Kunuri

According to the CIA fact book Aleppo is a city of almost 3 mio. people. To lay waste to a city of that size you would need to have large armies with several 100,000 men slugging it out for months with heavy weaponry. A bit like Stalingrad in 1942.

I haven't seen any numbers on the forces involved which is even close to that. 20,000 men on each side would disappear in a city of that size if they were spread out.

Sections of the city will be hit but unless artillery is used massively, bullet holes and broken windows can be fixed quickly.

Kunuri

Albayim, I truly respect your stands and opinions, as well as your experience and wisdom. But I have some time on my hand and wishing you are correct, have been combing the net on anything my puter can handle. Aleppo, especially Salahaddin district looks terrible. If not the damage to apartment blocks where people live, and to the infrastructure and the cultural heritage of the town. The tired old Citadel is once more a battleground, Timur, Cemal Pasha, and Lawrence might be watching from the heavens with amusement.

If the Syrian Army "takes" the city, who is going to run the basic services? Yes, refugees return quickly, those returning refugees from the countryside adjust rather remarkably as they always have, relying on the land. But the cityfolk need their electricity, water and markets.

The rebels will not allow Aleppo to return to a normal urban life even if it is totally controlled by the Army. Flour trucks going into city will be legitamate targets for the free roaming FSA, not that anyone would dare to take their wares into the city. People will know that. Therefore they will not return. Syrian Army will be holding on to a ghost town, vulnerable for a thousand ant bites. How is Syrian Army going to prevent rebels sneaking in every night in numbers and blowing up a roadblock or a strongpoint? Seems like the onlytime the Syrian Army can make an advance is with massive air cover, artillery and thousands of troops. How long and in how many places they can maintain that similtaneously? And in how many cities, because, what is happening in Aleppo is being replicated in numerous other locations.

And now I am going to watch a 2011 documantary about the battle of Gettysburg, you are thanked for rekindling my interest on the subject. And I cited some Turkish proverbs before, but I will cite another one for myself now.

"Be careful what you wish for, you might get it." Meaning, I am not entirly blind to the dangers of what is going on there. I read you all here with due attention.


Babak Makkinejad

I think your 4-th paragraph is a good description of the likely future events.

The English did as much and on numerous occasions inside England and Scotland to maintain the English state.

Kunuri

"Sections of the city will be hit but unless artillery is used massively, bullet holes and broken windows can be fixed quickly."

I really do not mean to belabor what constitutes a ruined city or how quickly it can be fixed and returned to normal life. Berlin, Stalingrad, Dresden, St Lo, Caen, Metz, Cologne etc. were ruined in the sense that I think you mean. Sure they were returned to functionality rather quickly, walls were repaired, windows fixed. Streets cleared. But Syria is already a poor country, I am sure they don't manufacture window panes or high grade glass, or have the means to repair anything at the best of times, look at the quality of the buildings in the cities. Also, Middle Eastern cities have a haphazard way of developing, there are hardly any planned out city grids, infrastructure, canalization, water and electrical systems. I would be surprised if there is even a mapped out master city plan of vital systems for Aleppo. So, it may take nmuch longer to vitalize a Midlle East city partially ruined, than a completely ruined European city.

And who will do the repairing, Syrian Army? Or guest workers from poorer countries? Will the rebels and refuugees return for a grand restructuring of their city? Both inquiries lead to the conclusion that if there will ever be a revival for Aleppo, it will be done by the Syrians themselves, after Assad, which means that his departure is a foregone conclusion. In other words, Aleppo can not be made whole again under Assad. Which means the rebels win at the cost of the damage the city has taken, only then it can be repaired. Hopefully, those who are bombing the city may think along the same lines.

In short, the city is disfunctional as it is, and the main battle is just starting. It can not have any practical value for Assad anymore, regardless of how ruined or how quickly it may become functional.

turcopolier

kunuri

The destruction will be nothing like that. Those towns were all pounded relentlessly for weeks and months with artillery and aircraft in great numbers. This is not like that. pl

Kunuri

Albayim, Ok... Do you see Syrian Army succesfully cutting strategic Selahaddin district East to West, surrounding it, reducing it to rubble and moving on to the center, or just driving straight on towards the center block by block, or doing an old fashion siege catapulting dead cattle into the center citadel? Also, at what point do you think Assad can declare he is in control of the town and the battle of Aleppo is over? I truly wonder. Tesekkurler.

Matthew

Ok. Can you give us one example where FSA beheadings have alienated other Syrians? It's almost laughable how all FSA violence seems to be acceptable, but only Assad's secular violence will be perceived as "unforgiveable."

Christians are fleeing the FSA. That tells me a lot about this so-called army of liberation.

turcopolier

Matthew

FSA people in the street openly tell reporters that this war is about putting down the infidel government. None of that seems to matter. We are a nation of asses. We understand nothing but "beach volleyball" at the Olympics. pl

Babak Makkinejad

I heard a new batch of fighters who had just arrived in Syria were filmed burning Palestinian flags; mitaking them for Iranian flags.

Evidently, illiterate people from somewhere in the Arab world.

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