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12 August 2012

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trooper

Col.,
What does this portend for US mil. aid to Egypt? What are ghe red lines?

turcopolier

trooper

There are none. So long as we support "hye skool" civics policies any gouv'mint that results from an election has a geren light. Bless you. pl

Will

just the facts, draw your own conclusions!

the first ever freely elected Egyptian leader, ever, in its entire some 5,000 year history!

"He then received his PhD in engineering from the University of Southern California in the U.S. in 1982. His doctoral thesis was titled "High-Temperature Electrical Conductivity and Defect Structure of Donor-Doped A123."[10] He was an Assistant Professor at California State University, Northridge, from 1982 to 1985. In 1985, he returned to Egypt to teach at Zagazig University where he was a professor until 2010.[11][12]" ... "two of Morsi's five children were born in California and are U.S. citizens by birth."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morsi


The prime minister

"Hesham Qandil (Arabic: هشام قنديل‎) (also Hisham Kandil) (born 1962) is the current Prime Minister of Egypt.[1] He was appointed by President Mohammed Morsi on 24 July 2012. Qandil was previously Minister of Water Resources and Irrigation from 2011 to 2012.[2]" .....

"He was the Minister of Water Resources and Irrigation when he obtained a doctorate in biological and agricultural engineering with a minor in water resources from North Carolina State University." ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesham_Qandil

turcopolier

will

Conclusion about what? You think Mursi is our friend because he was educated in the US and worked here for for a while? What conceit! Qutb was educated here as well. Was he our friend? Mursi went back to Egypt because he thought the US was a moral cess pool.

"...the first ever freely elected Egyptian leader, ever," Utter crap. Egypt was a functioning parliamentary democracy under the monarchy. pl

Michael Moore

Col. Lang,

It seems like the foreign policy establishment of both parties (not just the BHO administration) have drunk the cool aid on this. If this is the case, how do we get out of this predicament when an election will just put different people with the same goal in power?

Best,
Michael

turcopolier

Michael Moore

I find Panetta's reaction particularly sad and revealing. He said yesterday, "...but I thought they were working so well together..." Ridiculous. The ability of many Americans to deceive themselves into thinking that people like the Egyptians are like children to be manipulated and taught is absurd. In fact, it is we who are deceived. The "convenience" of the Islamist attacks in the Sinai now calls the whole set of events into question. The gunmen are not beduin. pl

Babak Makkinejad

Well, under the Monarchy the English were making sure that things work out, yes?

Will

Eh, but Mohammed Ali, King Farouk et al were not elected. Qutb did not have two children born in the U.S. who are U.S. citizens nor did he have an Engineering Doctorate. Consider your idears of the Ikhwan (Brotherhood), they are not the Saudi Arabia Salafist Takfiri Jihadist or Al Qaeda.

toto

So what happens if/when the army just says "F*** off"?

0m Adam

Why does the U.S. have this love affair with the Muslim Brotherhood?  I've spent too much time worrying about family in Egypt and haven't paid enough attention to how Ikhwan apparently benefit the U.S?
 
My heart aches for Egyptians right now.  

E L

Colonel:
We will stay focused on the elections till Bibi makes the Middle East and gasoline prices go BOOM.
E L

turcopolier

will

The kings and queens of England are not elected either. Farouk had an elected parliament and a prime minister that represented the political process. You are blind to the nature of the threat from MB government. You think an engineering doctorate makes him Western? I have known many Islamists with western style professional decrees. As for Mursi's children, if you ask them if they are American I would wager that they would say. "I have the passport." pl

YT

Dude,

You can't be THE Michael Moore, are you?

Will

countries have interests instead of friends. they try to follow their interests unless the 3% that control electoral finances dictate otherwise.

u know Col, Mursi did no more w/ Tantawi & Company than A. Lincoln did w/ an insubordinate, impudent, condescending general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_B._McClellan

Will

"You think an engineering doctorate makes him Western?"

that's precisely the point u continually hammer home. we are not able to remake foreign cultures in our image. the most we can do is advance our common interests and try to reconcile competing interests.

turcopolier

Will

This is not the Civil War in America and Mursi is no Lincoln. Yes, we cannot overtly change them but we need to protect ourselves from their foolishness. Lincoln did not want to return the US to the Middle ages. In the ME we are actively sponsoring the emergence of militant Sunni political Islam as a governing principle. Do you have a dog in this fight? pl

Will

it's all kind of the parlor game: rock, scissors, paper. it looks like scissors cut thru the paper that was covering up the rock. it is all just fascinating to see how it will play out. dueling cancelling decrees?

Will

no dog in the fight, but i love it when civilians have the cojones to stand up to field marshals. for too long Egypt has been a colonialist state paid off to keep quiet about the siege of Gaza and the expansionist Zionist project.

turcopolier

will

I see your point. You mean the way that Hitler and Mussolini stood up to the generals. pl

Alba Etie

Dude "where's my country ?"

David Habakkuk

Of course the civilian with real cojones, when it came to standing up to military men, was Stalin – although he did go soft in later years, only sending Zhukov to command out of the way military districts in Odessa and the Urals.

There are, of course, alarming reports about military men getting ‘uppity’ coming out of Israel.

So Larry Derfner goes so far as to talk about a ‘revolt by the Israeli military/intelligence establishment’ – including the IDF chief of staff, Benny Gantz, as well as assorted veteran spooks: rather like the opposition Hitler faced, although Netanyahu also seems to have the Air Force chief against him.

According to Derfner, Bibi is ‘showing signs of panicking’. Let us hope he recovers his cojones.

(See http://972mag.com/the-israeli-establishments-miraculous-antiwar-uprising/52611/ )

Babak Makkinejad

In 1939, Hitler went against the advice of his generals and won decisively against Poland and France.

In Israel the neat line separating Military and Civilian leadership does not exist; you can look at the number of Prime Ministers of Israel who were generals before becoming Prime Minister.

I seriously doubt that Bibi will permitted to take Israel to war against Iran in opposition to IDF.

turcopolier

Babak

Yes, and the attack on Poland and then on the USSR which were Hitler's brainchildren caused creation of the ooalition that destroyed Germany. Also, Hitler's interference with operations in Russia was disastrous over and over again. You sound like Eliot Cohen. pl

Babak Makkinejad

Whose is Eliot Cohen?

Babak Makkinejad

Yes, it was a mistake to attack USSR; just like Napoleon's.

Had he not attacked USSR there are very good chances that the Third Reich would still exist today - perhaps in not too different a shape as EU; in my opinion.

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