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10 August 2012


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I was surprised to read recently that the same practice was fairly common in 14th century England. There, it was an act of secular justice which - of course - received the tacit approval of Church authorities. The latter reserved the really serious stuff - burning at the stake - for mortel sins against the faith and the Church.


Whenever I read these stories, I fear for my wife's relatives in Jordan who wear western clothes, talk on cell phones, have college degrees, and drive their own cars.

I wonder if they realize how much they need to be "liberated."

Jim Ticehurst

Pat..You will find many Pictures and Videos of these types of amputations of hands and feet and other Islamic Punishments at the web site of RAWA.."Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan"..

All you need do is Google... rawa.org. amputation ...and you will get a long list of pictures and videos to view...

I saw this story on Mali yesterday and thought of bringing it to your attention..



You were surprised? No you were not. So what. That was then. This is now. The RC has not inflicted physical elimination on its adversaries for some time. Even then, they would turn the condemned over to the civil authorities for execution. In Islam the 'ulema do it themselves if they feel like it. pl


I wonder if such amputations and decapitations are now part of Salafist training in Saudi Arabia.

BTW, in Britain the punishment for treason until about 1870 (last applied in about 1820) was hanging (suspension or short drop so not necessarily fatal), drawing (emasculation and disembowelling) and quartering (decapitation then cutting the body into four parts), though in later years the hanging was usually fatal.


Are these the Tuaregs then who broke away all those months ago?

The Twisted Genius


No. These are hardcore Islamists seeking to establish an Islamic state in Mali. The Tauregs normally living in northern Mali were reinforced by those returning from Libya. This fueled their own long standing push for independence. They did join with the Islamists in pushing out the Malian forces. At one point, the Tauregs and Islamists attempted to establish a united front. That didn't take.

I took part in talks with the Malian DGSE in the late 90s, a French educated former professor of literature if I remember correctly. His government had far reaching plans for all of Mali. What's happening there now is a shame.

Babak Makkinejad

I think the difference lies in the fact that no one in Britain, at the time, would have claimed that adherence to such laws and their indiscriminate application would lead one to God - or at least Righteousness.

The fact remains that tens of millions of Muslims - if not hundreds of millions - are so persuaded.

Pirate Laddie

I lived in Mali for about 18 months back in the early '80's. As fine a bunch of folk as you could hope to meet -- tribal, but generally in a sophisticated sense. At that time French West Africa was still very much the model, with the large contingent of cooperants & Cote d'Ivoire as the neighborhood role model.
The experience helped me resist racist judgments from later experience in Zaire & Kenya. What's going on, Saudi/wahab imperialism, is worse than a crime & another reason to not look too askance at Iranian ascendency in the neighborhood.

Alba Etie

Col Lang
Over at the ProPublica website they have a series of articles of how the Mumbai attack was coordinated by the ISI & elements of Lashkar e Taibi . The same investigative reporter has just updated that series - saying now that key members of the Lashkar group that are directly linked to the attack in Mumbai are being shelterd by the KSA wahabee/salafist .( If I were better schooled in the internet as a tool - I would have provided a link .) Is not the real threat coming from the salafist extremist that are being sheltered not only by the ISI, but by the Saudis ?



A reasonable point of view. pl



Execution of pro-assad civilian by salafist gangs



Thank you, TTG. Im glad to hear that, though sorry what Mali is going through. I had always thought that the Tuaregs were nominally Islamic, but with some animism still present in thier culture (the men, for instance going veiled). The AQ/Wahhabism seems to appeal to displaced urbanites - second and third sons of middle class parents who earned an engineering degree always seemed to be the common thread with that.

I wish the Tuaregs well, and hope they manage to push out the AQ before things get worst over there.

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