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12 February 2012

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alinaustex

Would our friends the Israelis not be the first to concot a false flag ? Also Col.Lang if you are having an auto immune viral health set back -several of my friends here in Central Texas- most recently one with Lupus- have had good results using an experiened acupuncturist . Wish you speedy recovery Col Lang ....

turcopolier

alinaustex

"an auto immune viral health set back" I'm just a guy who used to help the medical sergeants when they let me, but I understand this to be a viral infection causing an inflammation that presses on the facial nerve on the left side. pl

William R. Cumming

Foreign governments have run many false flag ops in the US but perhaps the best was the NAZI effort in the election of 1940!

walrus

A mine or torpedo incident involving the loss of a capital ship in the Gulf might do it, provided the water was deep enough to hide the evidence and there were sufficient casualties.

The question then would be whether Obama and Hillary had the balls to craft the deliberately unacceptable ultimatum to Iran.

Amir

By any chance called Bell's Palsy. Forgive me my intrusion in your private medical life and obviously I do not expect an answer.
Just letting you know that it has a very good prognosis if that is the case: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/bells/detail_bells.htm

mbrenner

Gullibility is the common element. In the case of "the Trust" there were powerful predispositions to believe in the Trust's self defined existence. We all know why. Reilly obviously doesn't fall into this category. he fell victim probably to an overweening ambition to exploit the situation for himself that clouded his judgment this one fatal time.


Re US/ISRAEL/IRAN, it's hard to see what the deceptive lure would be. Terrorism and al-Qaeda were the emotional factor in Iraq. But there seems little evidence of that sentiment in the general public today. The Dupont Circle/CFR crowd is another matter. The motor force would be cynical calculation by the instigators of military action and their synpathizers who know exactly what they want. Plus, the narcissism of a President who cares only about 4 more years of playing at President. Perhaps enough of the public would acquiesce in war to allow it to happen. But they would be misled by a combination of contrived provocation and the instinct to support the president rather than a starry-eyed view of anyone or anything.

turcopolier

mbrenner

See Walrus's answer below. you give people far too much credit. pl

fanto

Colonel, Sir - slightly off topic - but tangentially a 'false flag' operation: is the support of AQ for the rebels in Syria a bona fide support for them, or is it to show the West on the same side of an issue as AQ? It is difficult to understand.

turcopolier

fanto

All Islamists are not AQ supported. I fail to see the point. pl

JohnH

Do people still think that Israel needs a false flag attack to justify a war? Did they even bother to announce their attack on Osirak or on the Syrian installation?

Once Israel has started the ball rolling, does Obama really need to ask anyone's permission to attack Iran and preemptively deal with Iran's imagined reaction?

The significance of Libya may have been as a test case for the President's totally unfettered war powers. Congress rolled over. They didn't even ask him how much it was going to cost or where the money was going to come from.

Expect them to do the same if Obama unleashes a war on Iran without warning.

The concept of a false flag attack may have become moot.

turcopolier

JohnH

"Do people still think that Israel needs a false flag attack to justify a war?" Yes. It would be much easier to have the "sheeple" baying for revenge. "Remember the Maine," etc. pl

CTuttle

Any takers on the Enterprise being the 'capital ship'...?

William Randolph HearstRupert Murdoch would have a 'field day'...!

fanto

here is the link to the article which says that Al Zawahiri made a video supporting the rebels in Syria - so he is positioning himself on the same side as the West. I do not understand what a strange alliance is this?

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,814768,00.html

CTuttle

Very true, Col., but it's already been reported that Libyan 'Rebels' from Misrata are in Syria...

Borzou Daragahi from the Financial Times has just confirmed that militias in Misrata, in Libya, announced the deaths of three Libyan de facto mercenaries in Syria. These Libyan Transitional National Council assets landed in Syria - alongside weapons stolen from Gaddafi's warehouses - courtesy of NATO cargo planes.

Granted, the the much ignored '07 West Point study points to another region of Libya, but, then you have this coinky-doink to contend with too...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/02/12/Al-Qaida-leader-backs-Syria-protests/UPI-18531329086064/

Here's some analysis on the '07 West Point study...

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/02/12/Al-Qaida-leader-backs-Syria-protests/UPI-18531329086064/

CTuttle

I should also add that it's not just the Libyan AQ, but, the Iraqi AQM is involved...

Iraq’s Deputy Interior Minister Adnan al-Assadi said in an interview with the press on Saturday that AQI has snuck across the border to aid the Syrian opposition forces with arms. ”We have intelligence information that a number of Iraqi jihadists went to Syria,” he said, adding that “weapons smuggling is still ongoing” from Iraq into Syria.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ieZhI-Ef6qIsGk1Rc48np5UVKBLQ?docId=CNG.08fe9711909c30405b5cb685b6d1bb03.811

It's getting gruesome... And, even Ambassador Ford is saying that the US military is not the answer to this quagmire...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57375050/diplomat-u.s-military-not-the-answer-in-syria/?tag=currentVideoInfo;videoMetaInfo

Dan Gackle

Pat,

Should such a thing happen, many professionals would surely know that this is what it was. Would you expect many (any?) to speak publicly about it?

Hoping you're feeling better.

confusedponderer

They need a pretext. They have used as a pretext for Lebanon the capture by those few soldiers by Hezbollah. Their pretext for Cast Lead was that hapless soldier held prisoner by Hamas.

The Israelis know that they cannot survive as total outcasts. They are acutely aware of the implications of the current boycott and divestment movement, and the 'deligimisation' campaign, and have very actively reacted to that.

If they just went on and bombed Iran now it would look, quite rightly, just as if Bibi went totally bonkers.

So, if the Israelis want to bomb Iran, they are in dire need of a pretext, and since their talk alone is not persuasive, they need something they can spin into Iranian aggression, like the 'Chihuahua Plot'.

They should not be expected to have qualms about cooking up something that gets US citizens or soldiers killed as long as it can be blamed on Iran.

One ought to have a watchful eye out for Israeli surrogates in the vicinity, like Jundullah, MEK or the Kurds.

Or then, if they want to do it themselves, and have a 'Straits of Hormuz Incident', all they truly need would be a Russian torpedo or two. For instance, the German Dolphin class submarine has 533mm and 650mm torpedo tubes, and it could fire something like that, and the Israelis sure have the technological know how to be able to tweak one torpedo or the combat system for such an operation.

Given the performances of the somewhat more advanced U212 and its exploits during exercises they could even pull it off without being detected by the US Navy.

jon

How about bombings at two Israeli embassies, in India and Georgia. I don't know the details, but damage seems to have been light. Israel has already accused Iran, and I believe Hezballah, of responsibility. I'm not sure what, if any, evidence exists to make the claim. This does seem like the sort of provocation that can be ratcheted up to justify various forms of retaliation and escalation.

Rd.

Shades of Argentine?

Just as India decides to move closer (?) to Iran and continue to purchase its oil, we have,

“Israeli envoys targeted in India and Georgia “

some false flag…

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2012/02/2012213124113985940.html

Charles I

or like this reporting on a Foreign Policy piece today citing CIA memos:

'Israeli Mossad agents posed as CIA spies to recruit terrorists to fight against Iran'


"It's amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with," Foreign Policy quoted an intelligence officer as saying. "Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn't give a damn what we thought."

The saddest bit:

"According to the intelligence officer, a senior administration official vowed to "take the gloves off" with Israel, but ultimately the U.S. did nothing.

"In the end it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat," the intelligence officer said."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-mossad-agents-posed-as-cia-spies-to-recruit-terrorists-to-fight-against-iran-1.407224

RetiredPatriot

@CP, and how do you suppose the Israeli submarine gets tot he SOH unnoticed? The last time I checked, the Egyptian's may not be so willing to allow submarine transits of Suez as they were when Husni was in complete control.

RP

mac n.

Colonel,

I'm reminded of Macbeth and the three witches....

When shall we three meet again?
In thunder, lightning, or in rain?
Macbeth, Act 1, Scene 1

Was yesterday's bombing's the much anticipated false flag op conspicuously absent to this thickening plot?

Mac N.

M Gold

Looks like India is already putting blame on Indian elements

http://www.asianage.com/india/attack-similar-jama-masjid-blast-437

"Indian security and intelligence agencies are examining the similarities between the explosions in Israeli diplomat’s vehicle and the Jama Masjid shooting and blast in September 2010. Incidentally, it was the Israeli security experts here who first confirmed to the Indian agencies that use of remote control explosives in moving vehicles was common in their country and targeting Israelis across the world..."

Would not make much sense for Iran to attack Israel in India seeing that India is becoming Iran's largest purchaser of its oil.

Fotoshop

i'd like to know more about that Nazi effort in 1940, William Cummings.

Tell us more, please.

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