Sharia Law is Not Closer to America than it Appears... Part VI: Thanksgiving Edition

Adam L. Silverman, PhD*

Apparently Pam Geller has decided that Islam is invading America one Butterball turkey at a time! (warning - clicking on this link will expose you directly to Ms. Geller's ravings.  If there were 144 of her, we would have gross stupidity or is that a gross of stupidity?)  This reminds me of when a bunch of white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and their fellow travellers had a collective freak out back in the 1980s when they discovered that the U within O and capital K markings on many food products in the US signify kosher**.  There was a lot of fringe and extremist types screaming and yelling and posting on primitive internet bulletin boards about the Zionist and/or Jewish conspiracy to take over America one snack cake at a time.  Personally I'm a fan of a naturally basting fresh turkey, one of which I will be dry rubbing, stuffing with home made cornbread stuffing, and roasting tomorrow AM, then slicing after appropriate standing time and removal of said stuffing, bedding down in its own juices, and then reheating it in them as I roast the asparagus and bake the sweet potatoes before serving, but I might have to go buy a Butterball just because it will give Ms. Gellers the vapors!  (I saw this at multiple places, but I guess the hat tip should go to Tbogg - just for the snark!).

A Happy and Healthy (and for those travelling) Safe Thanksgiving to all here at SST and to our gracious host!

* Adam L. Silverman is the Culture and Foreign Language Advisor at the US Army War College.  The views expressed here are his own and do not necessarily reflect those of the US Army War College and/or the US Army.

** The U within an O is the certification mark, or heksha, of the Oscherwitz Union, while the capital K is the certification mark for kosher.  Either of these on a packaged food item means that it is certified kosher.

Comments

[Babak Makkinejad]

Those Butterball turkeys were martyars that gave their lives willingly to bring Sharia to the Heathen of the New World.

It is deeply regrettable that their sacrifices were in vain and they were betrayed by a raving Islamophobe - no doubt an agent of International Zionism.

[The beaver]

I would like to know what were/would be her reaction or that of Daniel Pipes or Robert Spencer if they know that the wife of Grover Norquist is from a Muslim family. Quite a few members from the 20% of Congress who went on that Israeli junket did sign Norquist's pledge after all.

[J]

Adam,

What is 'it' with Ms. Geller and her intense hatred?

To look at her face, one can see that 'it' is destroying Ms. Geller from within. Sad she has no idea of the self-destructive side of her seething hatred of all thing halal.

Happy T-bird day.

[Douglass Schumacher]

Adam,

Thanks for your continuing contributions to SST. They are much appreciated. Sic Semper Turkey (today only).

[Charles I]

I think some people just can't go on unless its hateful enough out there to distract them from themselves.

[Adam L Silverman]

Beaver,

Norquist has taken a fair amount of heat on this from some of the usual suspects, but as is/was the case with Wolfowitz's relationship that ended his tenure at the World Bank, he's too useful, overall to the movement to be jettisoned.

[Adam L Silverman]

Mr. Schumacher,

You are quite welcome. I apologize for the light posting recently, but my work for the Army has kept me hopping for the past eight weeks. Hopefully I'll be able to get bak to more regular contributions soon.

[turcopolier]

J et al

How about Kosher turkeys? Are they acceptable?
This reminds me of a lunatic Arab Muslim billionaire I was wandering around Manhattan with once. He kept asking me what it meant that hot dogs were Kosher. After explaining it a few time I pressed him and found that the asshole thought they were made of ground up Christian children. He probably knows Geller. The same guy had 5 star hotels grind up filet to make him hamburgers. pl

[fred]

Adam, no link to the Sarah Palin Turkey fiasco? You missed an opportunity.

[SAC Brat]

A family member stationed in Afghanistan sent a Thanksgiving email out that included a shout-out to the OWS protesters. Obviously his battalion's library needs some Ayn Rand books.

[Adam L Silverman]

Fred,

It's at the hat tip link to Tbogg.

[Adam L Silverman]

Sir,

That's the funniest thing about this whole thing, as well as the various kosher conspiracies: given that both kosher and halal certifications are much more stringent than anything currently required by US law and regulations and the assault on the USDA and FDA supervision of our food supply and processes (usually by movement conservatives who think this is some version of encroaching tyranny or communism) , if one can afford it kosher and halal meat is a safer way to go.

[J]

Colonel,

Being the barbarian that I am, I'll stick with my hog.

Bacon, sausage, ham, ham hocks, hog jowls, lard, wursts, hog head cheese, hog tongue, hog tail, chitlins, and a half-dozen other yummy items that one can derive from a hog.

Then there are the other yummy items of culinary delight that one encounters globe-trotting, such as the critter-crawling dishes from Asia, Mideast, Africa, etc. Sigh, such yummy delights that many turn up their noses at, all because they are not certified kosher or certified halal are really missing out on some lip-smacking good eating.

However....On our U.S. Thanksgiving Day, there is nothing finer than U.S. born/bred/raised T-bird complete with all the accompanying dressings and trimmings.

Happy T-bird day.

[Fred]

Perhaps a copy of "The Virtue of Selfishness"?

[turcopolier]

J

That sounds like reverse snobbism to me. Thomas Jefferson liked French cooking and so do I. pl

[J]

Colonel,

Reverse snobbish eh? Hmmm, hadn't thought about that angle. I as well enjoy French, but I can easily side step their snail dish. Now Russian caviar on a thick biscuit I can deal with, along with Brit bitters to compliment it.

But today, I'm feasting on the all American American T-Bird complete with all the trimmings.

Again, Happy T-birding.

[Indy Ike]

Re: Fred's post.
Now, don't even think about accusing me of being a Palinite:
Funny thing about that video...
I chuckled over it a bit from the standpoint of how it appeared compared to slick state-of the-art media political productions. Goes like this in sophisticated (sub)urbania: "Ahh, look at those hicks up in Alaska." But, it just shows good old-fashioned farming activity that is still practiced in some places; I recall a documentary about chickens that showed people who raised their own birds at home and they use those funnels.
Some of the derisive comments posted on the site where I saw the video last year were entertaining, including one which included EEEEWWW! spelled out long enough to nearly stretch across an entire screen of text. Sheesh criminy. I am pretty sure that those comments were typically written by people raised in urban/suburban environments who have never been on a farm of any type, never seen the inside of a slaughterhouse, who only know meat and fowl as bits of something wrapped in near-antiseptic plastic packages with nary a drop of blood in sight.
While reading those comments just prior to the T holiday, I wished I could meet some of those folks in person to ask a series of questions:
Are you celebrating Thanksgiving next Thursday?
What are you having for dinner?
Where do you think it came from?
Them turkeys ain't made in factories like computer chips, ya know?
Sometimes wanton ignorance on parade is just funny. And they think the hicks are ignorant.

Tboggs use of it is damn funny.

[J]

Speaking of your.....Them turkeys ain't made in factories like computer chips.....comment, take a look at this......turkey that is really tofu.

Process: How Tubes of Tofu Become Tofurky
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/11/st_processtofurkey/

[mike]

I always order a kosher meal when on long airplane trips since most airlines do not have a meal choice for us lactose intolerant travellers. Does hallal food have the same ban against mixing meat and milk products??

[Babak Makkinejad]

There is no ban on mixing milk and meat; to my knowledge.

Also please be advised that Halal is a subset of Kosher; that is a Muslim may consume Kosher foods as they are prepared more stringently than Halal foods.

Raw Fruits and vegetables are Halal; thus wheneveer some one in US consumes them, he or she is unwittingly conforming to Sharia.

Cooked vegetables and fruits are Halal as long as the oil used in cooking them is Halal - no swine fat allowed.

[confusedponderer]

Grind up filet to make hamburgers? Good grief. What a decadent moron.

And what a waste of precious filet. Filet is really just a tiny fraction of the muscle mass of a cow - to destroy if that way? Ack. Worse, you probably get tastier ground beef from more fatty muscle tissue. That man has no appreciation for value.

If need be, one could put a slice of carefully fried filet between two slices of bread, add some salad, sauce ... or better, make something altogether different with it.

And as for them ground Christian children ... more evidence for the fact (probably wilful) ignorance knows no bounds. It's disturbing that crap like the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, long discredited as a fraud, are still given credence.

[confusedponderer]

Happy Thanksgiving to all! Enjoy your Turkey!

[Adam L Silverman]

Mike and Babak,

What's really interesting is that if you carefully read Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonides, also known as the Rambam) codification of the Judaic Law he clearly states (and I'm paraphrasing) that if a Jew eats meat slaughtered and prepared in a halal manner he or she incurs no penalty for violating the Law. This is an interesting religio-historical artifact! Maimonides codification was written during Moorish control of Spain and would allow for greater integration of the Jewish and Muslim communities. Under Maimonides interpretation not only could Muslims eat at Jewish homes, but Jews could eat at Muslim ones.

Of course Geller has doubled down and is now asserting that eating halal products unknowingly is causing Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (she may have also had Hindus and Buddhists in there too) to violate their religions dietary codes (or something and no, I'm not linking to this stupidity). First off Christians, unless I've not been paying attention and other than a few variants like the Seventh Day Adventists who keep a version of something like kosher (and for some really wacky reasons some of the Christian Identity/Aryan Nations types who keep an anti-Semitically inspired version of kosher- what you want consistency with these wackadoodles?), don't have a dietary code. As for Zoroastrians - I have an advanced degree in religion, can tell you a fair amount about their theology, the offshoot religion Mithraism, and that a Shi'a imam and sheikh in Iraq told me that the late Ayatullah Hakim (the elder) of ISCI was not really a Muslim, but was a Zoroastrian, but I can not recall what if any dietary restrictions they might have. Also, her irrational and largely fact free gripe has been picked up by that crazy Fisher guy at the American Family something or other. Supposedly there's video of him letting his anti-halal freak flag fly...

[jmc5588]

That Tbogg post and associated comments are hilarious. Well done, Dr. Silverman!

[Babak Makkinejad]

Many years ago, my family had invited Orthodox Jewish family to dinner. In addition to usual conformations to Kosher, paper plates wrapped in plastic had to be procured and left unopened to be opened by the members of that family.

These types of restrictions have only one aim, as you have observed, to keep social intercourse to the minimum.

You can see analogous things in India where you can tell the cast separations by who shares food with whom.

Truly deplorable.

The Prophet pf Islam had no issue with this; he ate with Christians and Jews and whomever.

Clearly in US the filtering mechanism that kept the un-educated, the foolish, and the ignorant out of the public discourse is broken down.

In that, she is now resembling more deplorable places such as India and a number of other states.

[How many times one has to hear that Einstein's Theory of Relativity denounced as as Jewish attack against Islma?]