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05 November 2011


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Col. Lang

1st sensible comment I have read about this I must say.

Stephen Sossaman

Of course, MG Fuller had to be fired, but I wish that we had a snail mail address to send him messages of support. Assuming he was quoted accurately and was sober when he made his statements, I applaud his being willing to risk not just his current assignment but his career in order to speak what he sees as an important and ignored fact. Even if he is forced to resign (as against being given a quiet wink wink good assignment as a reward), he will at least get a good book out of this and the satisfaction of not being one of the sycophants you mention.



I see it. let's give him the benefit of the doubt. i think McMaster deserves that as well, so far. the best general i knew was George I. Forsyth. pl


Why does that old Animals song lyric still hauntingly reverberate again, some four decades later? And be relevant?

Additionally: "When will we ever learn? When we will ever learn?"

ex-PFC Chuck

Off-topic, in case you missed it
From The Nation: "Ex Mossad Chief: Radical Right Jews More Dangerous than Iran."


Col. I had a chance to meet with him a year and a half ago in Lowell MA with regard to body armor improvements. I found him to be straightforward, competent, honest and carrying about his men. He cleaned up a lot of crap and corruption in the body armor area. He didn't strike me as a 'fly off the cuff' or loose cannon kind of guy. Its a sad day when truth isn't politically correct.



My comment about him was tongue in cheek. of course it is a sad day but it IS that kind of day. pl

William R. Cumming

Is there an item on "self-control" on OER's?

William R. Cumming

Is there "iron discipline" in the US military today? Should there be? What sanctions are applied to "verbal trash talk" generally in the military?


I recently visited the Arizona Memorial and it resulted in a frightening flash of insight - that leadership is crucial - not to lead one's nation to war, but avoid war where possible. Have you noticed how those who insist on advocating and starting war are generally the losers? In the case of Pearl Harbor the japanese military took Japan down the road to destruction. Where was the government and Emperor? This was a total leadership failure. How about Iraq, Afghanistan, and even Vietnam? I would say these were also leadership failures, all involving varying degrees of ignorance and misguided forethought. But we need more leaders like Fuller BEFORE we jump into conflict.

Babak Makkinejad

You are correct in your surmise. I think over the last one hundred years only in less than 20% of cases states that started a war won those wars [The excact reference escapes me.]

In case of Japan, there were people who had lived in US and knew the power of the United States - I think Admiral Yamamoto was one - and yet were powerless to stop the Hirohito-Tojo war policy.

People like war; specially those who expect short wars.

Jeff Young

He is a fine man and a excellent Soldier. I spent the better part of the last two weeks in the Afghan Strategic Review and Program Management Review. He and the other DCOMs have carefully laid out a solid path to train and equip the Afghans. If we follow this path, they may have a chance for a future. It is a damn shame that this administration and the State Department do not have the good sense to recognize Fuller's talent and vision. Yeah, he should have been a little less vocal. He was just saying what they lack the courage to say.


With all respect to MG Fuller's frustrations, that was a remarkably myopic exchange (if accurately reported). As clearly detailed in the recent BBC documentary, "our" Afghan war is really a complicated proxy war with our "ally" Pakistan, where Pakistan's real goal is at minimum, a friendly Afghanistan. All indications are that the Taliban want a negotiated peace, the Karzai government wants a negotiated peace, and the US government wants a negotiated peace. Even the extremist Haqqani network wants a negotiated peace (if you believe the BBC documentary). The only holdout appears to be Pakistan, fearing an insufficiently friendly Afghanistan.

Being interviewed for Pakistani television, Karzai made a clearly awkward and ill-concieved statement regarding Afghan intentions, especially since his government already is currently sided with the US in a war between the US and Pakistan. A wiser person than Fuller would have viewed his statement with cynical amusement. One already did.

Stephen Sossaman

Clearly Gen. Fuller's talent had already been recognized, Jeff, or he would never have been given the training position in the first place. It would be unreasonable for State to not sanction him for his comments, as no country can tolerate public undermining of its diplomatic missions. Gen. Fuller's comments made it impossible for him to work further with the Afghan government. We applaud his honesty, and I personally wish that more general officers serving under Bush had shown similar strength of character. Gen. Fuller has doubtless earned the love and thanks of many Americans in and out of the military, and will probably enjoy free drinks and big smiles wherever he goes.

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