"“We are convinced that if nothing happens between now and September, the situation will be difficult for everyone,” Juppe said at a news conference after meeting Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad.
Juppe stopped short of saying his country would support the Palestinian effort if Israel turns down the French initiative, which is expected to happen, emphasizing that “if nothing happens until September … all options will be open.”" LA Times
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Evidently the French are trying to gain enough leverage to persuade the Palestinians not to ask the UN General assembly for recognition and membership.
AIPAC's "apparat" is going all out to do what it can to stop this before it happens. There are ads on television run specifically against President Obama saying that he is "siding with the Palestinians." When did that happen? I am hard pressed to remember the occasion. He appears to me to be altogether on the Israeli "team."
He said that the negotiations for a settlement should be on "adjusted" 1967 armistice lines. Whoa! AIPAC! As you know that has been the basis of all negotiations for decades.
The Likud bloc (in Israel and in the US) is so opposed to that basis for negotiations that I am led to believe that what they want is to negotiate a "Palestine" that would consist of a "spotty' series of "indian reservations" or Bantustans' within greater Israel.
The tribal cry of "never again" is so clearly the basis of all this effort that the inherent hostility of the Likud bloc to all non-Jews is beyond argument.
it apears that negotiation of a two state solution is impossible. pl
According to Ha'aretz,the following was attributed to Juppe:
"If no progress is made in the peace process by September, France would consider recognizing a Palestinian state, he said."
That is a bit more of a nuance than the LA Times reported
Posted by: oofda | 03 June 2011 at 10:30 AM
What a huge, tragical farce. Isn't there something queer about forcing the Palestinians to negotiate with their invaders and captors? Wasn't the UN created for the purpose of mediating conflicts like this?
This is what the Zionists do best, play ratfuck games. Too bad they can't see or don't care that they are screwing the Jewish legacy, all for a pied a terre in East Jerusalem for any Jewish LA dentist or Russian immigrant who wants something for nothing. Masada did not end well either.
Posted by: Roy G | 03 June 2011 at 11:10 AM
It's hard to believe that Sarko will support Palestinians with anything other than perfunctory lip service; he is the French equivalent of an Israel Firster, after all.
If that weren't enough the new hudna between Hamas and Fatah leads me to believe that there are a lot of 5th sons of 3rd wives of Hamas members who don't have Mercedes 500 Sls with tinted windows.
From the Palestinian point of view, I mean the people of Palestine, there is nothing to negotiate. Their 'leadership', G-d curse them, are negotiating for themselves and their kin, as usual.
Iid milaad sa'id, Col., btw.
Posted by: jr786 | 03 June 2011 at 11:17 AM
How could this play out?
1. France and others recognize a Palestinian state.
2. The UN Sec. Council holds a vote to accept or deny access to the Pal State into the UN.
3. The US vetoes.
4. Pal state is not accepted into the UN but is acknowledged by lots of other countries?
Posted by: Trent | 03 June 2011 at 12:14 PM
If never again is Israeli policy define never again specifically please? Is it the
German Nation-state conducting ethnic cleansing of some group or some religion? If so it looks to me like the Germanic peoples are on there way to a post-nation state system likely only to be rivaled by the Han Chinese condominium! Both learned from Hitler,Stalin,and Mao how to control vastly dissimilar populations by utilizing the arsenal of a tightly controlled military and state security system. No need for direct military confrontation just control the elements of state power in such a way that outside organizations can NOT challenge that control. Germany will be the real test of democracy not the USA or Israel both of which are Spartas in their own way. No Athenians need apply!
Posted by: William R. Cumming | 03 June 2011 at 12:19 PM
PL,
Spot on, the 2 state solution is long dead on arrival since the Bulldozering of the Gaza airport by IDF. The only solution going forward is a one state democratic Palestine for both peoples.
all else is hogwash!
Posted by: Sam Will | 03 June 2011 at 12:51 PM
Many years ago, I read a column (I forget who wrote it)where the writer noted that the medieval kingdom of Jerusalem was supposed to last forever, but only endured less than a century. The writer then drew an analogy with Israel. This has haunted me for years. Given Israeli intransigence, I think this point is more valid than ever.
Posted by: Cato the Censor | 03 June 2011 at 02:06 PM
Cato
The KoJ held the city until 1187 but the kingdom then revived and lasted until 1292 or so. pl
Posted by: Patrick Lang | 03 June 2011 at 03:36 PM
There are people in France who take the plight of the Palestinians a hell of a lot more seriously than anyone in the US.
On the other hand, I was under the impression they had no political power.
I think, though I do not know, that the French Jewish population, the third highest in the world after the US and Israel, is kind of independent minded.
More anon.
Posted by: arbogast | 03 June 2011 at 05:35 PM
I assume Strauss-Kahn is effectively out of the race in the French presidential elections? What is his (or his party's) position on Palestinian statehood and is it much different than Sarkozy's?
Posted by: Fred | 03 June 2011 at 05:44 PM
Col. Lang, here is the Emergency Committee for Israel's teevee ad...
ECI Thanks Israel's True Friends...
Posted by: CTuttle | 03 June 2011 at 09:00 PM
My apologies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0K8BYUExtE&feature=feedwll&list=WL
Posted by: CTuttle | 03 June 2011 at 09:01 PM
Congress and Israel? I'm shocked! Shocked! to find mostly prostitutes in this brothel.
One state solution is the only viable healthy solution. Full participation for one group v discrimination for another? This is the prescription for a secure state. When and where?
Posted by: Marcus | 04 June 2011 at 10:46 AM
To me, it is not at all clear what will happen in the election.
What is true, is that the woman who beat Strauss-Kahn for the Socialist nomination last time, Segolene Royale, got down on her knees to the Israeli's when she had the chance.
France is just not the key player here. They opposed the war in Iraq and transformed French Fries in the House and Senate cafeterias into Freedom Fries. Not much.
Posted by: arbogast | 04 June 2011 at 02:04 PM
I am making an effort to keep my comments short and to the point. Most on this thread dont need a history lesson, so i'll simply ask a question: if the UN had the authority in 1948(?) to create the state of israel, why should it no longer have the authority to create a state of palestine? Jews support the actions of the un in israel's creation. they cant have it both ways. if the un could create for them than it can create for palestine
bill roche
Posted by: bill roche | 05 June 2011 at 12:05 PM
A friend forwarded the petition by Rep. Bachmann asking Pres. Obama to stand by Israel. I think she's already started the fund-raising for her Presidential campaign.
Posted by: PS | 06 June 2011 at 10:17 PM