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30 May 2011

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J

Colonel,

As Israel works incessantly to make DoD an 'occupied territory' they way they have made both Congress and the White House, 'if' Israel plans on getting stupid and attacking Iran, watch as they pull out all stops to ensure that DoD follows their Israeli puppet-master script whatever it may entail (U.S. secondary strikes, all kinds of ancillary support, etc.). The Israeli Occupation Force doesn't like having their own suffer the bloody nose while they can instead use our U.S./DoD to take the bloody nose for them.

clifford kiracofe

A Middle East war that would put Israel firmly in its place would be welcomed by many.

Yes, the US should stay out and let the dust settle where it may...

Stanleyhenning@mac.com

What is this? A large scale Iraq, which was also a serious waste on our part. Lets separate ourselves from this suicidal nonsense. Let's wake up and care about America!.

E L

Colonel,
I fear that any President who didn't support an Israeli strike would face red hot, AIPAC driven Impeachment proceedings in the House. The Senate would not, however, remove him/her from office. But the whole affair would leave the US even more badly torn.

Anna-Marina

The all-powerfulIsraeli puppet-masters in DC.

“Rae Abileah, one of the chief organizers of the [MoveOver]weekend…was admitted to the visitors’ gallery in Congress [during annual conference of the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee]. Upon unfurling a banner and denouncing Israel’s war crimes, she was assaulted by AIPAC minions before being hustled out by police. She was hospitalized with neck and shoulder injuries and arrested on her sickbed.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/clark05302011.html

No doubt Mr. Alan Dershowitz is elated

Walrus

Is Israel capable of delivering and detonating one of its own nuclear weapons ot a suitably remote but plausible desert location in Iran?

A surprised and angered western world can then be convinced of the need for ultimatums and the fun begins.

Patrick Lang

EL

What would be the rounds for impeachment by the House. Israel is not by law an ally of the US. pl

RLKirtley

The US and Israel are now so linked together that even if we did nothing before,during or after an attack by Israel,most of the world would think it was a mutual endevor.

Fred

Walrus, why waste one in an Iranian desert when they can set it off in their own and claim Iran attacked?

shanks

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What would be the rounds for impeachment by the House. Israel is not by law an ally of the US. pl
/quote

That's easy, for smoking and selling crack/dope in the white house! The *only* perception that matters is, the current President is seen as illegitimate by a number of right wing Xian groups. For the President to release a birth certificate to 'prove' he was an American, it's the next logical step in loony charges; N*gger selling dope right up there with Clintons murdered Vince Foster.

In fact, that *is* the most logical way to derail Obama's ME peace plan. A completely unrelated event(He stole a gumball in Walmart when he was 12 years old) will dominate events; domestic events that will make him stop talking silly 1967 crap.

Heck, there's one presidential overreach that they can impeach him on. The Libyan war for which he needs Congress reauthorisation and not done yet?

Phil Cattar

Anyone who watched Netanyahu's speech to congress had to notice the importance he gave to the threat of Iran's nuclear program.I remembered thinking this was a "you were warned moment".E L ,I think you underestime the push by most members of congress ,especially the Republicans ,once the first serious rocket hits Israel.Obama would have tremendous pressure to help Israel quickly.And I believe he would with very little hesitation.He would most likely not get reelected if he did not respond .The Israelis are most likely going to time it ,if possible, so Obama will be completely comprimised and I believe Obama will fold quickly.

Lysander

One can't assume Iran's response will be rash. A couple if symbolic missiles fired in retaliation that do little damage will not likely draw the US into war. Iran may limit itself to that, plus use the opportunity to withdraw from the npt.

And if a number if IAF planes are shot down with some pilots captured, then Iran may not even bother with the missiles. The long and short of it, is that drawing the US into a war that it does not want to fight is no easy task, even for the lobby.

arbogast

Here's the problem. It doesn't work. Not even close.

Look at Iraq. Did that work?

Look at Afghanistan. Did that work?

And those adventures were long duration, high cost, bloody actions.

Drop bombs on Iran? It's sort of like dropping bombs on Beirut. It doesn't affect the enemy one iota, but it makes you feel the vengence.

If the Israeli's took a humanitarian stance toward Gaza, instead of the towering rage stance advocated by Krauthammer, they would do more to preserve the peace than any amount of bombs ever made.

J

It's like what Alan Hart put it best -- "Israeli leaders don’t have to listen to the president because they know their lobby can block him in Congress."

http://www.alanhart.net/obama-is-the-wrong-target/

IRE

This statement came just in time. The Israeli government needs (badly) to divert public opinion from its involvement in the Ofer Brothers affair and hop! a minister makes a statement.

Byron Raum

Israel is an expansionist empire, and it has one of two options: expansion or contraction. With the fall of Saddam, next in line is Iran. After that, it will be Pakistan. It will never end.

Matthew

Neither the Lobby nor Congress can order the US military to do anything. Only the President can do that.

BTW, the Iranian threat will be hyped to distract the world from the pending recognition of a Palestinian state.

Some things never change.

Robert C.

I am not terribly optimistic about BO being able to resist the pressure from the right/AIPAC/Israel first crowd. I can hear the meme now: "But Mr. President, you intervened to help a small Libyan town, surely you can help save the entire State of Israel?". Case closed.

Robert C.

Thomas

They want to fight? Let them fight using the weapons, aircraft and money that we have provided them, but no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. strike by the US while the Israelis contemplate the wreckage of their air force, pl

Agreed.

yung

Seems as if 'The ObamaS' are down for the counT........ KNOCK OUT!!!


Netanyahu Quotes Expert Who Said He ‘Eviscerated Obama’

by Gil Ronen
Upon his return from Washington, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu made use of the Cabinet meeting Sunday to quote U.S. foreign affairs expert Walter Russell Mead, who wrote that “Israel is an American value.”

Mead, Editor-at-Large of The American Interest and former Senior Fellow for U.S. Foreign Policy at the Council on Foreign Relations, also wrote that Netanyahu had “eviscerated” President Barack Obama in their latest match-up, and the fact that Netanyahu quoted him could be an indication of his own assessment of his Washington visit.

'Very, very important commentators'
“They tell us all the time how we do not have any friends,” said Netanyahu. “We have friends. The American nation is a great and strong friend of the State of Israel. There are some who do not understand the strength of this connection… It does not stem – as more than a few people wrote during and after the visit – from this or that small segment. Neither does it stem solely from evangelist support. Jews and believing Christians do exist but the support, as very, very important commentators wrote, is much more sweeping, vis-à-vis the American people's solidarity with the State of Israel. Somebody wrote that, 'Israel is an American value,' and I think that there is much truth in this.”

“The American support is a very, very important asset for the State of Israel and I think that it is also important that the world sees this,” he said.

Netanyahu hinted that Israel could stay its course in spite of Obama’s pressure. “We are in a process, a struggle, but there have been many important achievements because we have friends around the world, more than many think, and I am pleased to see that on various continents, in various meetings, they rebuffed matters that were not desirable to us,” he said, in an obvious reference to Canada’s assistance in preventing a G8 anti-Israeli move.

Mead’s post about Netanyahu’s face-off with President Barack Obama in Washington last week was ecstatic.

“Three times [Obama] has gone up against Netanyahu,” wrote Mead; “three times he has ingloriously failed."
"This last defeat — Netanyahu’s deadly, devastating speech to Congress in which he eviscerated President Obama’s foreign policy to prolonged and repeated standing ovations by members of both parties — may have been the single most stunning and effective public rebuke to an American President a foreign leader has ever delivered.

"Netanyahu beat Obama like a red-headed stepchild; he played him like a fiddle; he pounded him like a big brass drum. The Prime Minister of Israel danced rings around his arrogant, professorial opponent. It was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters go up against the junior squad from Miss Porter’s School; like watching Harvard play Texas A&M, like watching Bambi meet Godzilla — or Bill Clinton run against Bob Dole.”

Cal

But the whole affair would leave the US even more badly torn.

Posted by: E L | 30 May 2011 at 07:22 PM>>>>>>>

It's past time the US was torn over Israel...domestically and internationally.

"Something happens....then you make a choice and take a side."
-Graham Green, The Quiet American"

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