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11 April 2011

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William R. Cumming

"Dissidence" OR "Dissonance"?

prasad


Pakistan is a terrorist country it supports terrorists for a long time against India so no other country will believe that country. The U.S. only supports Pakistan for its own benefits after that America will not support Pakistan in any circumstances.

William R. Cumming

China and Pakistan vis a vis India and US? Is this now the scenario? And if not now when, if ever?

My problem is that historic opportunity to help Pakistan with its endemic problems of development and even post-disaster reconstruction were largely wasted and ignored by Washington?

We (US) really don't get "it" do we? The "it" being the need to supply more than weaponry and CIA agent provocateurs to our "Friends"!

Personally I had the ability to do it I would take back some of the trillions from the banking and FIRE sector doled out by the FED and Treasury and send it to the multilateral development agencies and beef up AID! If return on investment is the key then the FIRE sector does not need more homes on the beach. Mother Nature will take care of those anyhow. No federal flood insurance for second homes.

Fred


FB Ali,

The US should certainly take the Pakistani military's offer and leave(both Afghanistan and Pakistan), however too many within the US government bureaucracy are locked into the status quo and thus can not or will not change positions. That, I believe, is the cost of 'civil servants' that the Col. was referring too.

Pete Deer

Pat,
Not to change the subject, but your use of Wile E Coyote illustrations is, I think, quite relevant as a metaphor with regards to American foreign policy...or indeed, what currently constitutes 'leadership' in our country.
That being the case, I think I should share an original Haiku I wrote sometime back about him;

Wile E Coyote
He's a super genius
Sues Acme Products

I would like to dedicate my little ditty to all the Wile E Coyotes in the White House, The State Department and The Pentagon. They make the original Super Genius look just like...well, a Super Genius.

Pete Deer,
Charlottesville Virginia

VietnamVet

Mark & WRC

“Cognitive Dissonance” is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously.

"Cognitive Dissidence” is a phrase my old fart’s mind pulled out to try to describe the conflict in DC which is all smoke and fog. The Politicians of both parties are the best that money can buy. They all are working for the same paymasters. The real issues of the forever wars and collapse of the American Middle Class are never acknowledged let alone discussed. The intention of Corporate Media Pundits, the Ryan Budget and President Obama if he agrees to dismantle Medicare is to screw Americans harder so Corporations and the Wealthy can get a larger tax cut and America can continue to fight Islam forever as it falls apart internally.

graywolf

Sicne Pakistan want's to be the "big kid on the block", why don't we propose:
The US will summarily withdraw all military and most CIA from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Pakistan would now own the problem.
Do what you will in Afghanistan, BUT we keep active intelligence/surveillance just to make sure that you (Pakistan) maintain control.

TamBram

If the US pulls out of Afghanistan/Pakistan, the ISI will then turn the Taliban on India, and the US will have lost its bargaining chip to restrain India. There will likely be a big, big war. Probably nuclear.

Michael Brenner

In a state of distress over our follies in Pakistan, we may relieve the pain by shifting our neurological attention to Iraq, It's the technique of ignoring a hammered thumb by hammering another digit. Prospects in Iraq carry the added promise of hilarious doings even more entertaining than those provided by master agent pigment challenged 'Kim' Davis.

In a few months, the United States' imperial embassy in Baghdad will have roughly 16,000 armed 'men' at its disposal. The combined force of hired guns, CIA field operatives, and serving personnel relabelled trainers/mediators/ reconciliation experts is slated to be under the operational command of a retired Marine Colonel (evidently a specialist in performing those off-beat missions). He shall be reporting through the Ambassador to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. We henceforth may refer to this motley army as 'Hillary's Hordes." That should resonate among the natives who developed a considerable respect for other 'Hordes' 750 years ago. I presume that as of January 1, Commander Hillary will habitually appear in public wearing the camaflouge outfit that keeps today's crops of commander invisible to the skeptical eye. When testifying before Congress, she could add six or seven rows of multi-hued ribbons - color coordinated.

MBrenner

rjj

“Cognitive Dissonance” is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding conflicting ideas simultaneously

Uncomfortable? An acquired taste. If you aren't experiencing it, you aren't paying attention.

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Cognitive Dissidence is related to Faustian Bargain buyer's remorse.

Patrick Lang

Pete Deer

I agree. There is a madcap aura about government today that the coyote seems to represent. I suppose the RR represents the implacable chaos of the universe? pl

Twit

Re "In a few months, the United States' imperial embassy in Baghdad will have roughly 16,000 armed 'men' at its disposal"

For comparison, that equals:
- more than twice the size of the Royal (UK) Marines
- more than half of the entire armies of both Australia and the Netherlands
-just under the number of men in the Continental Army

Frabjous

How about “Cognitive Deliquesence” to represent the fading of effective thought into the smoke and fog of politics which seems more and more to be regarded as a substitute for - or at least preferable to - reality.

Mark

walrus

Cognitive dissonance is a polite name for "doublethink" - the ability to hold Two mutually contradictory ideas - and believe both are true.

One can easily do this after neurolinguistics training by "framing". It helped me a lot dealing with lawyers and venture capitalists.

Roy G

I prefer 'Cognitive Dissidents': people who are smart enough to see what is being perpetrated, and refuse to join in screwing the pooch, even though it's all the rage these days.

Arun

Plan to bleed the US a little like the Soviets: http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/04/15/choking_off_pakistan_us_relations

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