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12 March 2011

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Augustin L


I'd also like to add that the paragraph 6 of the resolution pushed hard by Susan Rice give special exemptions to certain participants in the current civil war with regards to prosecutions by the international criminal court. This paragraph was publicly criticized by the ambassadors of Brasil and Liechstenstein. Odd unless ...

Here's a very good article on what occured at the UN, and Susan Rice response:
http://www.innercitypress.com/usun2merc030111.html

James ben Goy

I saw this in, I think JPost, or YNet, an interview of some alleged cousins:

Libya's Gaddafi could find refuge in Israel

“The story goes that Gaddafi’s grandmother, herself a Jewess, was married to a Jewish man at first. But he treated her badly, so she ran away and married a Muslim sheikh. Their child was the mother of Gaddafi.”

While Gaddafi’s grandmother converted to Islam when she married the sheikh, according to Jewish religious law (and common sense), she was ethnically still Jewish.

“So, the point is that Gaddafi doesn’t just have Jewish relatives, he is Jewish!”

If the story told by Brown and Saada is true, Gaddafi is entitled to immigrate to Israel as a Jew under Israel’s Law of Return. Even if every other country on earth refused him entry, Israel would be obligated by its own laws to take Gaddafi in.


Clifford Kiracofe

1. Q's family relations with London Rothschilds http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/27/gaddafi-son-saif-al-islam-profile

2. " According to a Tel Aviv-based organization of Jews of Libyan descent, in 2007 the Gaddafi regime offered a large sum of money for the formation of a “Libyan political party” to run in Israel’s 2009 Knesset elections.

Meir Kahlon, head of the World Organization of Libyan Jews, told The Jerusalem Post that between 2005 and 2007 he traveled repeatedly to neighboring Jordan to meet with Libyan officials regarding abandoned Jewish assets in the North African nation."
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/tabid/178/nid/22686/Default.aspx

3. Rumors abound that his mother was from a Libyan Jewish family but converted to Islam. (His own tribe are Arabized Berbers or...?)

Bizarre but who knows?

Charles Cameron (hipbone)

COL Lang:

I can't speak to the rumors themselves, but both sources your friend cites are a tad long on the conspiratorial side of things.

The first URL is for a piece by Barry Chamish, who wrote a book called Return of the Giants, the Amazon "product description" for which reads:

"Are the Anakim or the Refaim, the giants of the Bible, returning to Israel today? There are only two periods of recorded history when giants were reported in Israel: in biblical days from the time of the Flood to the ascension of King David, and since 1993 in modern Israel."

Chamish described a gay pride march in Jerusalem as "the Impurade" and wrote:

"Hashem's fingerprints are all over this: The Impurade route will now go between the Government compound and the heretical university, and it's taking place the exact week that we read about the Sodomites in the Torah. Coincidence? There's no such thing..."

The second URL was for the same piece as featured on the website of David Icke, a Brit who is celebrated for his theory that reptiles have taken over the world – as Wikipedia summarized it, "Sumerian Kings and Egyptian pharaohs have all been Aryan reptilian humanoids, as have 43 American presidents and the Queen Mother". Apparently so are Queen Elizabeth II and Kris Kristofferson.

Michael Barkun has a fascinating and informative section on Icke and his connections with the Christian Patriot movement in his book, A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America (University of California Press, 2003).

Regards,

Charles

TamBram

It doesn't strike me as correct from what I know of Israeli concerns that they would support MQ. Seems much more likely that MQ is receiving aid from, e.g., Syria than Israel. Of course, one never knows what private Israeli contractors may be up to, but that hardly implicated GOI.

Too much Israel-obsession (which is where I suspect these rumors are coming from) causes madness on the brain, IMHO--I saw this in India when a certain segment of the population would go crazy whenever we had mil.-to-mil. contacts with the IDF (even though these seemed mutually beneficial).

Israel is a small, self-interested state--it is nobody's "best friend" but it not some all-powerful bogey-man either!

TamBram

There is something odd in American politics, where once you come off of the mainstream "yeah, Israel is our best friend," you get a lot of comments that are conspiratorial, crazy, etc. For example, even if MQ is a Jew (which I highly doubt) he would not be allowed "refuge" in Israel, he would be *tried and convicted* in Israel like the *criminal* he is. So what are some of the commentators above saying? Sorry you have to put up with these sorts of people, Col.

TamBram

I guess every cultural group has their weird-spots--Indian are probably weird in viewing Christians with high suspicion as "soul-harvesters," (i.e., missionaries) but with Americans in most other ways.

walrus

My assessment of the activities of Hasbara is consistent with the assumption that Israel is not in favour of Arab Democracies.

They shut up on a range of websites when Tunisia and Egypt revolted. They stayed silent for at least a week or more.

They came back in the last Two days with the line that Arabs will never be democratic - are incapable of running democracies. Go figure.

One would assume that military coups in Tunisia and Egypt would be to their liking.

confusedponderer

Qathafi is probably a pariah today even in the Arab world. I wonder what would be Israel's strategic benefit in such an alliance. Any ideas on that? To have a pro-Israeli dictator away from their borders who has to rule over a gun barrel? Not what I call a strategic asset.

Augustin L,
not necessarily a coincidence in the way you mean it. If the US have covert folks on the ground there, it would protect them too. Also, the clause she pushed for is totally in line with a long established US practice to insert such clauses that iirc started in the Bush administration. In international law you got to keep dissenting. If you stop, it will eventually be constructed to mean a change of heart i.e. consent.

Just one more bit of Bush-Obama continuity.

Anna-Marina

TamBram,
It is the degree of self-interest that can make Israel an exceptionally dangerous state for the world: http://www.counterpunch.org/zlutnick03112011.html

Sam Will

During a discussion on Israel Radio they just dropped this little tidbit. There is a Jew left in Libya. His name is Muammar Kaddafi. At first, I found it hard to believe, but when I Googled "Kaddafi's mother was Jewish" (without the quotes), the first three results all confirmed it. Kaddafi's mother was a Jewish woman who converted to Islam at the age of 9 or the daughter of a Jewish woman who left her husband for an Arab Sheikh. Those two narratives are not mutually exclusive. I kid you not...Muammar Kaddafi's mother was Jewish and his second wife is from the "Farkash" family.....

A year and a half ago, two Israeli women who claimed to be relatives of Kaddafi's were interviewed on Israel's Channel 2 television.

The older of the two interviewees, Guita Brown, claimed that she is Kaddafi’s second cousin: her grandmother was the sister of Gaddafi’s grandmother. The younger of the two women, Rachel Saada, Brown's granddaughter , explained in more detail: “The story goes that Kaddafi’s grandmother, a Jewess, was married to a Jewish man at first. But he treated her badly, so she ran away and married a Muslim sheikh. Their child was the mother of Kaddafi.” While Kaddafi’s grandmother converted to Islam when she married the sheikh, according to Jewish religious law (and common sense), she was ethnically still Jewish. And that makes Kaddafi's mother a Jewess. And if Kaddafi's mother is a Jewess, what does that make Kaddafi? A Jew....

Let's go to the videotape (sorry - the interview is only in Hebrew).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QAlBP7rNeKc


That means Kaddafi is Jewish - he can even be counted in a minyan (quorum of Jews for prayer).

More to the point, Kaddafi is entitled to 'return' to Israel under the Law of Return. Given that he may soon be looking for political asylum and the usual candidates (the Saudis and the Europeans) are unlikely to take him, could he be looking to come to Israel?

Patrick Lang

confusedponderer

The Israeli government as well as the Arab despots remaining all wish to avoid seeing these governments replaced with others that might conceivably be dangerous to them. The self interest of the despots is self evident. The Israelis follow (or originated) Cheney's 1% policy. They are uninterested in the welfare of the other peoples of the region and so from the viewpoint of a narrow self interest, they too oppose changes of regime in the region. pl

The beaver

Sam Will
I don't believe that the Saudis will give asylum to Quadhafi. They are known to "hate' each other. I remembered about a video in 2003 which I can't locate but this bit from the BBC will tell the story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7971624.stm
Mustafa Abd-Al-Jalil is the KSA man within the Libyan transitional council and he plays the game when it does suit him.

The beaver

Sorry Sam Will, I misread your last paragrapgh.

This is another source where I read about Bibi's request to CST Global:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article168770.html

Following the publication of our piece “Israel flies to the rescue of ally Khadafi, reaping millions”, Israeli mercenary and arms distribution company Global CST and its owner, retired Israeli major general Israel Ziv (photo), have arranged for their law firm Mackrell International to send us a warning notice (see below).

LeaNder

. Q's family relations with London Rothschilds

Well strictly, that's not what the article tells us. It tells about relations of Saif al-Islam Gaddafi with Rothschild, Rothschild's son and heir, Nat, David Held (his prof), Lord Mandelson, Prince Andrew, Tony Blair and, bizarrely, the late Austrian far-right leader, Jörg Haider.

Strictly you could have chosen Lord Mandelson as well, but yes, he is much less of a symbol.

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Barry Chamish & David Icke

admittedly I was a bit wondering about the links too, but I guess from a information/intelligence perspective it doesn't matter how and from whom rumors are spread. Although I think Chamish and Icke don't simply use information available somewhere else and squeeze it into their respective systems.

Interesting blog & aesthetic design, but strictly I wouldn't expect Zen in combination with red. Which may be the point.

LeaNder

sorry, I was mentally preoccupied with CK, I have to take care that this doesn't get a similar obsession as a certain Hasbara at Mondoweiss.

correction above: by whom, not from whom, something is spread.

Sam Will

The beaver, PL,

I remember vividly in 1986 during Iran-Contra...CNN-USA was about to air a piece whereby they were to show either Yaacov Nimrod or Ari Ben Menashe...but I believe it was Nimrod, telling CNN that he has a close relationship with Qaddafi and that Qaddafi's mother was Jewish...but it was abruptly cut and never ever re-aired after-wards by CNN ....despite the fact that CNN had shown a clip earlier with a summary of the report...
I believe that a lot of Intel agencies knew full well that Qaddafi was Jewish with a close relationship to MOSSAD since the 1970s...hell I knew it since the early 80s...

Charles I

MQ has been a local nutjob, terrorist, oil exporter and erstwhile WMD rehab debutante for decades.

If the GOI and Israeli private contractors weren't completely dialed into Libya on many levels, it would be uncharacteristic to say the least. Direct Government involvement? what is "Government", then? Contractors are not a uniquely American phenom, nor the spawn of 9/11.

General Chennault is my favourite. If the Us can take on China, surely Israel can meddle in Libya.

tunde

the lemma that 'qaddafi is jewish' is the opening act to the awe-inspiring, overarching conspiracy theory that they control everything, even imprerialistic pretensious arab totalitarian regimes.
some have posited his connection to mossad/aman/unit 666 etc. in this mish-mash, how does lockerbie, arming the IRA and being an unacknowledged member of the axis of evil fit into all this ? the theory that he's jewish tends to hint at his utility to the zionist cause (in some meandering way). i don't buy this.
MQ does'nt need help. the rebels are at sixes-n-sevens. they're alienating potential friends by their inconsistency and lack of leadership.
as rabbi sacks once said, think of being an anit-semite (as defined by the hasbara) as being as illogical as being anti-kiwi for example.unless you're an american.....

Tosk59

Not sure of the relevance re Qathafi being Jewish... other than this being used as criticism to diminish his standing in the eyes of "his" public.

Wasn't there similar scuttlebutt with respect to Ahmedinajad after the contested elections in Iran (presumably for the same reason)?

Anna-Marina


Charles I,
You mean that the “only democracy in ME” can freely let its citizens to be involved in an armed conflict on a side of a dictator and war criminal? As if Goldstone report has not been enough…

Cal

I have no doubt that the Israeli firm supplied mercenaries for MQ...I think this is the same firm that was involved in training troops for the Georgia attack.

Charles I

Anna-Marina, I don't think they "freely" allow things to transpire.

Its like the "free market." Where the government intervenes to sustain the unsustainable on behalf the privately unforgivable, who maintain they are the ineffable sine qua non of our civilization.

My very first post here ever, which I am childishly proud to say elicited a private response from Pat, was about Israeli contractors active in Kurdisstan, must have been about 2005

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