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21 November 2010

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Jake

Wonder what Cantor will have to say if the bio-solid hits the AIPAC oscillator?

I'll hold my breath before the powers to be in DC allow that to happen.

John Minnerath

This will be interesting to watch and follow!Thank you sir for the links.

Cal

I wish I believed Rosen would go so far as to carry out his threat of exposure if AIPAC doesn't pay him.

Wonder how much Rosen would take for all that evidence he says he has.
There must be a slush fund somewhere with 10 or 20 mil in it for a good cause.

Peter

My money is on what happened to Jimmy Hoffa, happens to Rosen.

Clifford Kiracofe

There is a useful book by Grant F. Smith, Foreign Agents. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee From the 1965 Fulbright Hearings to the 2005 Espionage Scandal (Washington, DC: Institute for Research, 2007).

In this concise analysis, I learned that the US Senate Committee on Foreign Relations dealt with the AIPAC issue and influence in 1965...here we are in 2010. Same old, same old.

Another excellent book on how the pro-Israel Lobby operates is the classic study by ("former") Congressman Paul Findley, They Dare to Speak Out. People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby (Chicago: Lawrence Hill Books, 1985, 1989).

One can argue that the pro-Israel espionage networks over the years have been protected from investigation and prosecution by interventions from the White House. The FBI and other CI elements have been doing their job, but the politics of issue are quite another matter. I imagine there is a level of frustration among patriotic law enforcement and intelligence personnel in this regard.

Jackie

Clifford,
I've read Paul Findley's book, They Dare to Speak Out. It's good but it tends to make one mad when one realizes how we have been duped. Are we willfully ignorant or afraid of being called names?

Cal

Posted by: Jackie

The first time I was ever called an anti semite for stating the obvious on I/P, US-Isr and AIPAC I was highly insulted and protested the accusation...then furious at the shoddy tactic of character sluring to silence my opinions.

The furious won out..now it's like water off a duck's back. I ignore it.
I highly recommend calling a spade a spade on Orwellian US-Isr policy, it's very liberating.

ked

I don't think there'll be a Jimmy Hoffa car ride... but I wouldn't advise a long walk near a cliff, or sailing solo on the Chesapeake.

Clifford Kiracofe

Jackie and Cal,

I would note the "Anti-Defamation League" which some wags deem a Zionist Gestapo, established in 1913...wonder why....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League

The ADL was established by the B'nai B'rith itself founded at New York City in 1843 in the manner of a secret society for Jews.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%27nai_B%27rith

http://bnaibrith.org/
BB calls itself "The Global Voice of the Jewish Community"...

So just what is going on...seems like it has been going on a while.

Cal

Clifford

Israel never crossed my radar screen until some 10 years ago due to I/P and 911. Wasn't till I had done enough research from unbiased sources to form an opinion, that the cookie crumbled on the side of Palestine and against the US-Isr scheme and the Israel Lobby.
I started at the British National Archives, on to the US presidential libraries and to thomas.gov to try and figure out what the devil was going on with the congressional and US support of Israel, considering Israel's past and present actions. Before W&M wrote their book I was already convinced by my research that that support was 99.9% due to "domestic politics" (Jewish demand and or influence in Israel's behalf. In almost ever instance of mention of Israel in presidential papers 'domestic politics" was cited by the horses mouth as reason for Israel policy.
My use of these historical facts to call for a more objective US policy on (the foreign country of) Israel and on I/P and the ME was what earned me the anti semite slur.
The only lesson I learned from trying to discuss it with committed Israel loyalist and the less informed was that facts are useless against myth and the bible and the world's only innocent victims since time began.
If anyone wants to go back to the creation of Israel for the real facts this is good collection to start with... all the British documents for that era published in book form.
http://www.archiveeditions.co.uk/
I also just finished reading Solzhenitsyn's "200 Years Together" about Russia's civil war and the Jewish Bolsheviks..which made a light bulb go off in my head regarding anti semitism and gave me a theory as to how the notion of antisemitism may have come about. Which is a lot like the claim some make that America is hated for what it is, not what it does. A very alluring rationalizer for some.

Clifford Kiracofe

Cal,

Will look into the collection you suggest.

1. Two useful books on American Zionism and US politics are:

Melvin Urofsky, American Zionism from Herzl to the Holocaust (New York: Doubleday, 1975). Standard academic study.

Stuart K. Knee, The Concept of Zionist Dissent in the American Mind 1917-1941 (New York: Speller, 1979). Valuable analysis of intra-Jewish feuds over Zionism.

2. A friend obtained Solzhenitsyn's work at a shop in Brighton Beach just after it came out. There are some telling excerpts in English online.

A similar study anent France is useful for comparison:

Edouard Drumont, La France Juive, 2 vols. (Paris).

3. For a more technical analysis of the social and political problem in the US, it is necessary to include the relationship of organizaed crime to Zionism.

A good start is:
Gus Russo, Supermob....America's Hidden Power Brokers (New York: Bloomsbury, 2006). Essential reading.

LeaNder

2. A friend obtained Solzhenitsyn's work at a shop in Brighton Beach just after it came out. There are some telling excerpts in English online.

A similar study anent France is useful for comparison:

Edouard Drumont, La France Juive, 2 vols. (Paris).

Clifford, if you don't mind, I am bit late on this. But admittedly matters as these puzzle me a bit. I am slightly hesitant about Solzhenitsyn, I am not sure if he has arrived in historical 20th century research on maters. But then, he is no historian and seems to use limited sources, but you are.

But I am even more hesitant that you suggest people should read a 19th century conspiracy theorist, that in the end would find Protestantism, the Masons and the Jacobin club as all pretty much the same evil. I spend some time in US conspiracy circles that are mad about this type of literature. I am told, even in this gray-area historical literature (as we call it in German) has better founded historians and more popular fantasy authors. The problem seems to be the fantasy/popular conspiracy theoriest sold just as well then as they do today.

Are you with him that Prostantism, the Masons, the Jews are ultimately all evil and the only solution for the world are the return to monarchy and Catholicism? Just as the Jews will never chance, it all started when they killed Christ. Do you believe him that already Charlemagne (Karl der Grosse, Karl/Charles the Great in German) was killed by Jews? And that was only part of the chain?

You are an historian, are you really serious about these suggestions?

Patrick Lang

LeAnder

Not sure whom you are addressing. I was under the impression that Solzhenitsyn was Russian Orthodox. In general his hostilities do not impress me. I have my own. pl

LeaNder

Not sure whom you are addressing.

Clifford Kiracofe's list of literature above. I know I am a bit late, but this is not the first time I am slightly irritated, so I thought I may as well ask him.

Why question would be why does CK,as you would address him, think Edouard Drumont is relevant today?

I am with you, I have my own hostilities, they also seem to have deep roots. Family? But they aren't about specific groups more about specific human traits.

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