Sniegoski – Richard Cohen "Israel Liability for US"

 "it is a novelty to read Israel supporter Richard Cohen’s admission that the Jewish state is not a strategic asset, but rather a liability, for the United States, and was recognized as such by United States officials even before its creation"  Sniegoski

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I feel duty bound to post things like this however much I think the US will continue to be an "asset" of Israel.  the present level of infiltration of "agents of influence," political funders, etc. is phenomenal.  "Walrus" comment the other day that this control will be exercised to advance Israel's world wide desires is apt.  pl 

http://america-hijacked.com/2010/09/16/sniegoski-richard-cohen-israel-liability-for-us/

Comments

[Lysander]

There is little chance of political change happening on its own in this country. The key to reducing Israel's negative influence in the US may rest in the balance of power in the middle east. All that the US really need do is avoid a war with Iran. Everything else will solve itself. Iran will grow stronger, Hezbollah better armed, the Palestinians more numerous, the Saudis feeling they need to hedge by improving relations with Iran.

While we reflexively fear the above mentioned events, they are a blessing in disguise. The weaker Israel is relative to its neighbors, the less enamored the American public will be with it. The harder and costlier it becomes to maintain Israel's strategic supremacy, the harder it will be to conceal those costs from the public and the less the public will wish to pay for it. And even if the public is blind, it may simply become impossible to maintain the current balance of power. All we have to do is avoid a war with Iran. The Iranians, given another decade or two, will take care of the rest.

Israel's influence here is tremendous. But nothing lasts forever. AIPAC's power seems awesome, but it really only takes one "the emperor is naked" moment.

[Rider]

the present level of infiltration of "agents of influence," political funders, etc. is phenomenal.

And yet all we seem to be worried about are the world Khalifate freaks and creeping Sharia. Go figure.

[lally]

There is erosion of *support* as measured by those most concerned in tracking such trends:

A majority of Americans would oppose joining Israel in a war should it strike Iran, a poll showed.

The Chicago Council on Public Affairs[?] poll, released Thursday, shows 56 percent of respondents answer "No, it shouldn't" to the statement, "If Israel were to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, Iran were to retaliate against Israel, and the two were to go to war, the United States should or should not bring its military forces into the war on the side of Israel."

responding, "Yes, it should" amounted to 38 percent. In other findings, a majority -- 58 percent -- favored "making a major effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict" as a measure to fight terrorism, with 39 percent opposing.

The Chicago Council's [?] analysis said support had dropped for including American troops in an international peacekeeping force to maintain an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement; Americans were now split, 49-49, whereas majorities had in the past supported such participation.

Another finding showed that Americans are statistically split on using U.S. troops to defend Israel if it were attacked -- 47 percent in favor, 50 percent opposed.

and so on.....

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/09/17/2740956/most-americans-would-oppose-joing-israel-in-iran-strike-poll

[shanks]

Maybe, the cynic in me has a different take.

Most of the Americans(cohen, Brooks, Flat Friedman) made trips recently to Palestine and probably did not see it as a European/American jewish ideal(whatever stuff it is).

Rather, rude russians emigres and the rabble must have been a bit disconcerting. Plus, the worldwide disgust, they know which way the wind is blowing; time to move on and get in front of the "hard love" and all that jazz crowd.

Remember, it doesn't matter what these guys say, it's what they do. As long as money pours into Palestine for "facts on the ground"(don't call them settlers, call them thieves) to be established, this will go on.

THEN, they will come to negotiating table to talk peace, after taking 99% of Palestinian land. Ask the thieves to vacate, they'd scream another "holocaust", to dislodge thieves living on someone's else land.

It's the COIN oil spot strategy in reverse with no thought to hearts and mind.

[J]

shanks,

Don't forget Israel's theft of Syrian land, namely the Golan Heights.

[J]

Colonel, Basilisk,

Whatcha think of the latest decision to sell Israel 'stealth' capability with their brand spanking new F35s? Hell, as soon as the Israelis receive their first one, they'll do their best to find out how it all works and then Israel will sell it (under the table) to the Russians and Chinese, at a hefty mark-up of course. I don't understand why D.C. keeps selling/giving Israel our U.S. made toys. Everytime they do, the U.S. winds up paying in spades. Just look at at what they did with our Patriot systems tech, how does one spell Russian S300 upgrades. Arghh.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-decides-to-buy-f-35-fighter-jets-despite-row-over-cost-of-deal-1.314213

And don't forget one important factor -- U.S. taxpayers will be funding the entire debacle through the Israeli money-laundering operation revolving-door they have now going on in our U.S. Congress.

[Anna-Marina]

" rude Russians émigrés and the rabble" have been relatively painlessly dissolved in the US, but in Israel the thugs overwhelmed the system. Racism, cruelty, blind following the moneyed and in power - this is what AIPAC has been supporting and must be identified with.
AEI and other fraudulent "bastions of Western civilization" are the leading supporting mechanisms for Palins and Avigdor Liebermans. So much for the salaried "independent thinkers…" The independence does not fit the US conservative establishment anymore.

[fanto]

Sniegoski's article indicates that the CIA was not in favor of creation the state of Israel - but it does not mention that Stalin was, and that USSR was one of the first states to recognize Israel. Stalin was a shrewd man and wanted to create such a state in order to weaken the West (this is not my original thought but I read it somewhere before).

[jr786]

I'm inclined to agree with Lysander, adding that the amount of energy - money, military force, political capital - expended in maintaining Israel's position in the region, the world for that matter, is simply unsustainable.

Think of it as geo-political entropy.

[Fred]

J, if you are worried about technology theft just read the WSJ's latest on China's industrial policy related to electric/hybrid vehicles. The US, of course, needs no industrial policy, the conservatives are ensuring the 'free market' will take care of us.

[Roy G]

Clearly, the Israelis live in a bubble: they float on free universal health care, and cheap real estate loans, generously supported by Uncle Sam - who doesn't provide the same for his kids.

We are seeing the ugly truth behind the facade - the philanthropy of Jews worldwide has been tapped for years in the name of Israel, and now that mask is slowly crumbling, like paper mache in the rain. It ain't pretty, and it's going to get uglier.

[WILL]

the Chinese can hold their own in batteries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Company
"In 2010, BusinessWeek ranked BYD the 8th most innovative company in the world, ahead of Ford; Volkswagen and BMW,[7]"

[walrus]

Regarding the F35 - the issue is not the physical aircraft intellectual property - it's the source code for the software that drives everything in it.

America isn't giving the source coe to the Brits, Dutch, Aussies, anyone. The rationale for that is purely to keep it out of Israels hands.

For purchasers like Australia, this raises the issue of "operational sovereignty". For example, I'm quite sure that the F35 will stop operating if the American Government decides they should stop, hopefully not quite as abruptly as Irans Tomcats stopped.

[Fred]

Will, absolutely, from your link:

"The founder admits to having studied patents owned by Sanyo and Sony, two companies that later brought IP lawsuits against BYD."

Patent and copyright laws, who needs to worry about them when you have the backing of the PRC, or the Isreali government. How many more billions of research should we let them steal?

[Patrick Lang]

walrus

Iran's Tomcats did not stop operating. The Israelis kept them in parts obtained on the gray market. pl

[euclidcreek]

You have to wonder, is truth the real existential threat to Israel?

[Stanley Henning]

When will the American people wake up to the fact that our political "leadership", both Republican and Democrats, were responsible for supporting the sub-prime loan game at the heart of our ongoing economic depression and allowed us to get entangled in the fake Iraq weapons of mass destruction scam, sink into the Afghanistan morass, and would welcome a preemptive strike against Iran, all of which involve our monied interest groups, important elements of which support foreign, not American, interests. We are at a cross roads. If our "leaders" continue to fail to correctly assess our situation and to waste our resources, then our country will not make it out of the wasteland and will become history in all but name.

[walrus]

Col. Lang,

"Iran's Tomcats did not stop operating. The Israelis kept them in parts obtained on the gray market. pl "

My understanding, perhaps flawed, is that the first time they tried to fire a Phoenix missile after the revolution, it exploded on the rack, taking the aircraft and crew with it. They tried a second time with the same result before they got the message that the Tomcat was now largely symbolic and not much else.

[Patrick Lang]

walrus

That is incorrect. We are not that clever. pl

[J]

Fred,

The tech theft that worries me is that which is applied in the military arena. Israel's theft of Patriot tech and their subsequent funneling of it to the Russians who used said tech theft for their S300 systems, puts U.S. military personnel at risk. It is that type of Israeli theft of U.S. tech that worries me. I don't blame the Russians for applying it, I blame the Israelis for stealing it from U.S..

With 'friends' like Israel, who needs enemies?

[Retired (once-Serving)Patriot]

Of note, the IRIAF is still flying the F-14s Iran received before the Shah's fall.

Iran: F-14

RP

[Fred]

J.

While what you say is true the technology theft that would allow China some semblance of lower reliance on oil while the US still is gives them a significant strategic advantage. They are different threats, I think the later to be far greater in the long term.

[SAC Brat]

Local story of Chinese technology theft.

"Federal prosecutors have charged a Troy couple with stealing hybrid technology from General Motors.

Yu Qin and his wife Shanshan Du have been charged with conspiracy to possess trade secrets without authorization, unauthorized possession of trade secrets and wire fraud. One of them is also facing an charge of obstruction of justice.

Prosecutors say that from December of 2003 through May of May 2006 Du stole information about GM's hybrid technology while working for the company and passed it along to her husband, Chin."

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/couple-charged-with-stealing-hybrid-technology-and-selling-it-to-chinese-company