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06 January 2010


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William R. Cumming

WOW! Great post! Question? Wonder how the decennial census required by Constitution this year will document immigration issues?


Segmented Immigration Theory documents the process of social disorganization leading many Latino youth into gangs. I see some parallels. See ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RACE AND CRIME edited by Helen Taylor Greene, Sage Pubs for quick overview. (Citation to compliment results you may drag up from google search.)

N. M. Salamon

an excellent analysis from an intellectual view. However the public perception and expression [aside from all the USA led wars and support of dictatorial governments in Muslim lands] as the word "islamofasist", "war of religions" court judgement excusing all outright murders by the USA forces/contractors are the food on which extremeist Wahabbi base their teaching of EVIL USA. This aside from the blind and self-destructive, both to USA and Isreal, support of Israeli colonial actions, where the rule of international law is regularly abused.

While the integration of minorities might be better in the USA than some other parts of the world, the constant harping on racial profiling, the constant excuses for colletoral damage, etc; indicate that there does not seem to be any effort by the USA government and or USA society to undermine the major grievences of Muslims in general.

The use of Predators, Reapers, high altitude bombers etc indicate that the USA leadership places no value on Muslim civilian life - as indicated by a 100 civilian deaths to 1 AQ target ratios.

Until such time that the USA gives up on its interference in Muslim lands, the USA will face inported or homegrown terrorism, for the victim has no army, no bombers, no Predators, nor cruise missiles.


How about some common sense? Restrict muslim peoples from emigrating to America.

Our country no longer needs mass immigration as we no longer produce anything. Back in the day, we needed coal miners, steel workers, tunnel diggers, shoe makers, etc... these industries are long gone. Over 300 million people reside in America. When is enough, enough?

Major Hasan carried his family's war of dispossesion onto innocents in Texas. Children of Abanian Kosovar refugees were convicted of planning to attack Fort Dix.

America's policy of Invade the world, Invite the world, and in Hock to the world has been a disaster.

Why create more problems for ourselves?

While some may look at Somalians in Minnesota and see the wonders of diversity, I see generations of people who will come to resent America (due to our interventionist foreign policy) and may just take action against it.


Yes, we could do a lot to ease the integration of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants into society. The problem is that the US has never had a particularly enlightened approach towards the disadvantaged. It is not particularly reassuring to note that the US record on integrating immigrants is better than most countries, when their records are truly awful.

Unfortunately, stratospheric rates of unemployment among young, even worse among minority youth are exacerbating the situation. And widespread demonization of Muslims does not help, either.

The other, unmentioned side of the coin is the potential for more veterans to turn into terrorists like Timothy McVeigh. The situation they face on returning home is dire--often recruited from disadvantaged groups, brains addled by PTSD and multiple deployments into battle zones, they face awful prospects reintegrating into job markets and into a society that is not particularly sympathetic to the causes they put their lives on the line for. Furthermore, these people have been well trained in the use of weapons and explosives. It's hard to image a worse recipe for brewing a lethal cocktail.

Bill Wade, NH

What do you do when you are a 20 year old college student and your Mom is a very wealthy widow of Muslim descent and it's two weeks after 911 and all Muslims have been vilified by GWB and folks who live your very wealthy neighborhood are starting to look at you kinda funny?

I knew this kid, he was a good kid, not sure what he's been doing lately but one did have to feel badly for him.


Thank you VERY much for that link on profiling!

I learned something new today.


Observing the Minneapolis Somalian Community through the eyes of friends who have done social work in that community for now more than ten years -- the analysis needs to factor in Gender.

Many Somali women who arrived young, as pre-teens, or were born here, have used US educational resources to establish economic independence, careers, and contact with larger community assets that protect and preserve their self defined independence. In contrast with the traditional roles of women in Somali Culture, Somali-American women have built modes of adaptation to the larger American Community that are very distinct from their male peers.

They are far more likely to finish HS, attend college or a voc/tech school, find middle class careers that pay sufficently well to support self and family. They are much more likely to have close friends among native born Americans, and stronger connections within the African American Women's community where women headed households are fairly common. Somali-American women are far more likely to divorce and seek court protection in an abusive marriage. A significant part of the next generation of Somali-Americans will be raised with these values in evidence, and the tensions in the whole Somali Community will be heightened and defined by this reality. Somali tradition offers no place for these women in Mosque centered organization, but that has not prevented them from inventing adaptations that support their interests. Any analysis of how a migrant group adapts needs to consider Gender matters.


Interesting post. The nature of those few young American men who have been seduced by radical Islam offers some comfort. They have been isolated losers incompetent of the attacks they hope to commit.

I would call some attention to the recent Decatur Illinois arrest - an Anglo convert.

Inevitably, we argue and analyze from our own experiences -- the muslim kids I knew in high school and college were generally deeply integrated into white society, in a way that wasn't true of African Americans (and at the time there still weren't many Latino immigrants outside of a few major cities, agricultural areas and border states). I don't know the degree to which that remains true. Certainly the numbers of muslim immigrants grew to the point that there are now communities, whereas I mostly knew scattered families. You couldn't hang out only with muslims, because there weren't enough of them. Also, my experiences are more with Pakistanis and Indian muslim emigres than with any other groups of muslims. Socioeconomically, they may be distinct.


Our country no longer needs mass immigration as we no longer produce anything. Back in the day, we needed coal miners, steel workers, tunnel diggers, shoe makers, etc... these industries are long gone. Over 300 million people reside in America. When is enough, enough?

Posted by: psc | 06 January 2010 at 02:04 PM

demographically, like any other developed countries, US is aging rapidly. Without immigration, the burden ratio between workers and retirees will not be able to sustain "american lifestyle".

It'll be closer to northern europe, if not Italy or japan economic growth. And these countries has far more efficient population density compared to US. Healthcare is labor intensive.

In order to sustain current fiscal policy (yes, huge deficit and military spending) US needs to grow at ~3% and that's an impossible task with baby boomer entering retirement and the size of generation X.

And this is assuming energy price and the position of dollar as international reserve are the same. If Dollar cease becoming global reserve, then price of a lot of raw material, including energy will be at the mercy of EU and Asia market, which will be about 5 to 10 times bigger as trade area. (euro, and asean+3)

Hey, even scientific discovery and industrial innovation are fueled by manpower. Look at the phd stat. If the taiwanese reverse brain drain happens in china and India, without finding replacement, US industrial engine will be quickly fall into 3rd or 4th place within 2 decade.

Abu Sinan


Stopping Muslim immigration to the US dodges the question. There are already millions of Muslims in the US and a majority of them are American born, many of them from the African American and European American communities.

I know, I am one. It also ignores the fact that the vast majority of Muslim Americans lead very law abidding and decent lives. More than a few of us have done and still do our bit to help our government and our country.


i'll go along with the flow of the argument for arguments sake... so i'll ask what then causes fourth or fifth generation american jews to support and advocate for israeli zionism?

muslim extremist are just not as sophisticated as their counterpart and thereby seem more neanderthal. the muslims are in the front lines doing the fighting for their cause while the zionist supporters are in the backrooms agitating so that others do the warring.

where do they get their training?
is it in the synagogues or at home from the parents?

there must be an answer because there is deffinitely a body of these individuals up and down academia and in political positions within the american body politic.

Adam L Silverman

Sara: Gender is essentially built into life course arguments. The life course literature largely focuses on young men as the data clearly shows that young women's life course's are very, very different. Even those that drift into some form of deviance and delinquency generally drift out by the time they are young adults due to a variety of reasons (getting married, becoming a care taker, having a child, employment). Young men tend to be biographically available far longer; well into the later 20s and 30s. The seminal authors for Life Course are Sampson and Laub and there work is very approachable.

Samuelburke: as to Zionism among Jewish-Americans, this is, I think also a layered issue. The first is trying to determine whether by Zionism you just mean that Israel should exist or rather you're referring to the much more aggressive and oft times violent revisionist Zionism of Likud and the natio-religious Zionism of the settler movements? I think the former is sort of the default for many American Jews, while the latter seems to appeal the way certain political and religious ideologies appeal to some Americans whether they're Jewish or not. In this latter case I think the best explanations are found in the works of Professor Altemeyer, a political psychologist, who studies authoritarianism. You can find more on his work here:http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Fred Strack

Given the recent damage to the US Economy perhaps it is time to profile the perpetrators on Wall Street. I suspect zero muslim MBAs but plenty of Harvard one's. Then again perhaps our politicians think 14%+ unemployment, homelessness and broken families is not a threat to national securityl.

As to population decline the proper response should be to Raise Wages, not import low wager, poorly educated foreign workers; then there is zero immigation problem.


First let me say I wholeheartedly concur with F. Strack's comments.

To return to the subject of Dr. Silverman's post I refer you to Glenn Greenwald's post http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/
I believe the concepts in both posts are the same problem from different perspectives/direction and expand/explain the situation.
For the record, I believe in Israel, their right to exist, to have a country. I also believe that they committed atrocities in Gaza and should be held accountable. I believe that this is the United States of America and that although they are our ally, that does not mean that our goals or methods are the same.


Very interesting, thanks Dr. Silverman.

I wonder:

1) how much attention is the issue of criminality, terrorism and immigration getting in the academic world?; and

2) is anyone in government paying attention to what's being discovered?

This is certainly something that should be considered as we debate future immigration policy. For lots of reasons I've felt that with our high legal and illegal immigration levels we've been blindly opening ourselves up to future grief. Now there's more to worry about, apparently.



I read an article that stated 55% of male and 48% of female Harvard MBAs went to work on Wall Street.

We are diverting too much attention and energy to the BVD bomber. What if it's a smokescreen for a really big op? Some guy in a cave is out thinking us, but then again he doesn't micromanage.


Dr Silverman, IMHO new "immigrants" are not melting in to American society like past ones.

The new "Latinos" are not interested in becoming integrated to American society.

Most would prefer to make money here, watch "Univision" and "Telemundo" (I believe number one and two in the Miami market), get the satellite channels for soccer games/cultural event from home, send their kids to "bi-lingual education" schools (which means native born Americans who can barely speak English) and listen to Spanish language radio stations (again dominant in the Miami market).

Haitians are also making "progress" ever since Dade County was declared tri-lingual with the additional of Creole language.

This is also happening in Los Angeles, Houston, Austin, etc (recent trip to Minnesota a contact told me she was learning Spanish because it was needed to communicate with workers).

I wonder if this is also occurring in the Islamic communities?

If you see the success of Spanish gangs in exploiting this "isolation", makes you wonder what is happening in the Muslims areas.

Just my two cents...



Airline airplanes are serviced by workers who can't read the English manuals, only the foreman is required to know English. That's why I don't want to fly, not because of some guy with a crotch rocket or hot feet. The latter can be defeated but too much deregulation, putting the Randards in charge, will probably lead us once again into the jaws of defeat.

Fred Strack


I'm not surprised. However possession of an MBA (from Harvard or elsewhere) does not make one a competent manager or a crook. There's plenty of bad management on Wall Street as well as some crooks. The lack of regulation has done nothing to deter either. Collective guilt - i.e. profiling all Harvard MBA's because some are crooks is not an effeicinet law enforcement tool any more than profiling those born in Yemen, Saudi Arabia or elsewhere is effective to find a 'potential' terrorist. The latter is highly palatable in the MSM and among some members of the electorate. It's much easier to have a thumb-rule than the to have to think.



I took your statement about profiling Harvard MBAs the same way the audience at the Globe reacted to Dick The Butchers line, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers."

You weren't, but I was, surprised that over 50% of Harvard MBAs went to Wall St. It's just another of many signs of where the money and power have coalesced. In fact I believe it is a certain "class" of people that are too big to fail and not the size of the financial institution, which in a more rational system would have been broken up into more manageable parts. Ater all the rest of us are allowed to fail and, if you listen to the wrong people (Citi credit cards, a sleazy mortgage lender or any of the other conmen in a low-wage, high-asset country such as ours), you are encouraged to fail. Ayan Rand was nothing more than a Social Darwinist. Her followers nothing more than predators that don't live by natural law but make the laws and break them when it is to their advantage to do so. Example: the UBS whistleblower just got 40 months in jail, the people who got caught hiding their money in Swiss banks were fined and put on probation. The message is clear.

One of my best friends has a MBA. He is very successful and has earned every dollar he has made. He is also an ethical person. I don't believe all Harvard MBAs are slimeballs but am sure some are--in fact, one was elected to high office.


I meant wage-poor and asset-rich.. Those terms are from a paper by a Morgan Stanley analyst who predicted the bursting of the housing bubble in 2004 or 5.

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