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01 June 2009

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David Habakkuk

euclidcreek, curious:

The van Creveld remarks -- rather like the famous Ahmadijehad quote which is commonly rendered as proposing that Israel should be 'wiped off the map' -- is a classic example of the dangers of taking statements out of context. In both cases, the effect is to further heat the temperature about nuclear threats, which is precisely the opposite of what is necessary at this moment.

If you look at the full text of the van Creveld interview, it becomes apparent that what is being expressed is actually apocalyptic despair.

(The text is http://www.rense.com/general34/dutchisraelimilitary.htm.)

What van Creveld was saying was that, by continuing along the routes down which they were headed, Israelis would 'destroy ourselves.' He personally advocated building a wall 'so high that not even a bird could fly over it' along the old border, but he doubted whether Israeli public opinion would wear this any longer -- they would not surrender the gains of 1967, hanging on to which means trying to control a large Palestinian population. But as he saw it -- and for what it is worth van Creveld is widely regarded as a a leading authority on wars against non-state actors -- the long-term suppression of such a population was impossible.

Accordingly, the logic pointed to the expulsion of the Palestinians. It was when he was asked whether the world would 'allow that kind of ethnic cleansing' that van Creveld came up with the remark about most European capitals being 'targets for our air force'.

So it is depair about the directions in which Israel is headed, rather than exuberant confidence in its military might, which lies behind the remarks about the country having the 'capacity to take the world down with us', and the assurance that that this 'will happen, before Israel goes under'.

curious

Regime change game on the US has begun.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/9/740360/-Israeli-Minister-Calls-for-Sanctions-Against-US

Additionally, Peled called for giving away sensitive US technology to other countries against previous agreements.

But in the interim, the minister suggests reconsidering military and civilian purchases from the US, selling sensitive equipment that the Washington opposes distributing internationally, and allowing other countries that compete with the US to get involved with the peace process and be given a foothold for their military forces and intelligence agencies.

Apart from that, boycotting Boeing and other US military contractors should be brought into the discussion.

Here the article details Peled's plans for influencing US politics toward Israeli interests:

In what may be his most controversial suggestion, Peled recommends intervening in American congressional races to weaken Obama and asking American Jewish donors not to contribute to Democratic congressional candidates. He predicted that this would result in Democratic candidates pressuring Obama to become more pro-Israel.

Peled called for the formation of a new body intended to influence American public opinion. The groups he suggests courting include Hispanic Americans and Labor unions in industries that benefit from Israeli military acquisitions.

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